"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[Donuthole]

If there were a redo of the 2011 draft how does top of the draft go?
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_final_draft/2011

Here's what my draft board would look like drafting "best player available":

Irving
Leonard
Parsons
Vucevic
Kemba
Markeiff Morris
Burks
Klay Thompson
Marcus Morris
Knight
Faried
Kanter
Valanciunas
Tristan Thompson
Jackson
Derrick Williams
Thomas

By my rating only three guys would fall out of lottery range, Vesely, Biyombo, and Jimmer. Only Leonard, Parsons, Jackson, and Thomas played their way into that range. Two more years and we'll likely have a complete read on this class. So far Irving is the only can't miss franchise changer.

Unfortunately for Utah, the jury is still out on Kanter and Burks. Burks looks like he may move up the board while Kanter has the potential to fall of it. Looks like there were many better options than Kanter at #3.

Kemba 5th? 18ppg on 41% shooting? No thanks, especially not with Thomas putting up better numbers across the board.

[smokymountainrain]

Alec Burks in year 3: career highs in scoring rate, assist rate, assists p/40, TS%, usage, PER and easily playing the best ball of his career
Klay Thompson in year 3: still the same player he was in year 1 across the board.

Maybe if we played Burks 36 mpg last year and 38 mpg this year we could get back the guy from year 1 that was never on the floor with four other guys.

FIFY. Not sure who that guy was from year 1 because he never played, but what I do know is that throughout his career, whenever he has played the most minutes he has played very good basketball. Maybe the guy from year 1 was really good - we'll never know.

[wapiti]

Kemba 5th? 18ppg on 41% shooting? No thanks, especially not with Thomas putting up better numbers across the board.

I probably have Kemba too high. Do you think Thomas will ever start for a playoff team? I don't.

[cougjunkie]

Kemba 5th? 18ppg on 41% shooting? No thanks, especially not with Thomas putting up better numbers across the board.

Topper takes him #1 with those numbers.

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[MarkGrace]

FIFY. Not sure who that guy was from year 1 because he never played, but what I do know is that throughout his career, whenever he has played the most minutes he has played very good basketball. Maybe the guy from year 1 was really good - we'll never know.

Of course you know who the guy from year 1 is -- you've been talking about him non-stop since. I also know who he was; he did a lot of good things (attack to the hoop, get to the line) and lot of bad things (played offense and defense like he was the guard version of Big Al). I also know this: everyone has bitched about his minutes and how a lack of minutes was stunting his development, and yet here he is in year 3, a vastly improved player from where he was in either year 1 or year 2. OTOH, Klay Thompson, who has received the kind of minutes everyone has wanted to see for Burks because of miracle it would have on his progress, hasn't improved at all. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

[MarkGrace]

Kemba 5th? 18ppg on 41% shooting? No thanks, especially not with Thomas putting up better numbers across the board.

Batting average called and wants its field goal percentage back!

[smokymountainrain]

everyone has bitched about his minutes and how a lack of minutes was stunting his development, and yet here he is in year 3, a vastly improved player from where he was in either year 1 or year 2. OTOH, Klay Thompson, who has received the kind of minutes everyone has wanted to see for Burks because of miracle it would have on his progress, hasn't improved at all. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

I'll refute this argument, but don't have time right now. The point: Corbin's handling of Burks has had nothing to do with improving his game, rather simply because he wasn't willing to sit more veteran players despite Burks being the better player.

[Donuthole]

Batting average called and wants its field goal percentage back!

Compare their eFG% stats and the discrepancy merely grows. Same with Simple Rating.

EDIT: PER edge goes to Walker, but not by much.

[MarkGrace]

Compare their eFG% stats and the discrepancy merely grows. Same with Simple rating, PER, or whatever advanced metric you want to use.

Sure. Just had to point out that ppg on fg% doesn't mean anything on its own.

[Donuthole]

Sure. Just had to point out that ppg on fg% doesn't mean anything on its own.

I really wish ESPN would include some advanced metrics on its statistics pages.

[MarkGrace]

I'll refute this argument, but don't have time right now. The point: Corbin's handling of Burks has had nothing to do with improving his game, rather simply because he wasn't willing to sit more veteran players despite Burks being the better player.

No you won't. You can run around in circles on a bunch of stuff, but it will just be a waste of time. We know the following: Burks has been handled a certain way and is clearly a better player three years into his career; Thompson has been handled the way people wanted to see out of Burks, and he's not any better. Anything else will be speculation that you'll kill too much time on, won't really show anything, and will be time you wish you could get back.

[Blueintheface]

Can we get back to the struggles of MY favorite Jazz player? Geez! I had high hopes that the offseason had taught D-Fav a plethora of moves on the offensive end. So far it's turn baseline and baby hook.

That said, the Jazz are batting .000 when he's out of the lineup this season. Defense baby!

[MarkGrace]

I really wish ESPN would include some advanced metrics on its statistics pages.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

Lots of options in there. you can sort the whole league on pretty much any advanced stat

[smokymountainrain]

No you won't. You can run around in circles on a bunch of stuff, but it will just be a waste of time. We know the following: Burks has been handled a certain way and is clearly a better player three years into his career; Thompson has been handled the way people wanted to see out of Burks, and he's not any better. Anything else will be speculation that you'll kill too much time on, won't really show anything, and will be time you wish you could get back.

There will be no speculation in my argument. It will be based on facts.

[MarkGrace]

There will be no speculation in my argument. It will be based on facts.

So you are going to be able to prove that if Burks had played more minutes, he'd be even better? This should be good!