"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[smokymountainrain]

I'm wondering what Kanter's projected minutes were to hit those numbers. Obviously, his rebounds are the biggest "miss" from any of these projections, and that is something that is going to be off even factoring minutes in. That and maybe Favors projected points. Hayward, it what feels like has been a disappointing year (maybe I'm skewed by the last few weeks) has strongly surpassed projections for REB & AST.

Definitely interesting. Thanks for pulling that back up.

One thing I find interesting, at least in terms of my own expectations, when reading the predicted numbers, I assumed Hayward, Favors, Burks and Kanter would be well over 30 minutes a game. Perhaps 33-36. Hayward is really the only one of the four to play the number of minutes I hoped for and expected. Burke is also about where I expected him to be in terms of minutes.

[Blueintheface]

One thing I find interesting, at least in terms of my own expectations, when reading the predicted numbers, I assumed Hayward, Favors, Burks and Kanter would be well over 30 minutes a game. Perhaps 33-36. Hayward is really the only one of the four to play the number of minutes I hoped for and expected. Burke is also about where I expected him to be in terms of minutes.

Hayward is being given the chance now and what is happening is exactly what the Jazz were afraid of; he's great when he's not the number 1. Disappointing but obvious. I sure hope O'Conner doesn't feel the need to double down by overpaying. My hope is Lindsey is truly in charge and does the right thing for the long term.

[MarkGrace]

Hayward is being given the chance now and what is happening is exactly what the Jazz were afraid of; he's great when he's not the number 1. Disappointing but obvious. I sure hope O'Conner doesn't feel the need to double down by overpaying. My hope is Lindsey is truly in charge and does the right thing for the long term.

I don't think the Jazz were afraid of this. Heck, I think it's possible they were hoping for this so they could slot him into 2nd/3rd guy money.

[The_Douger]

I don't think the Jazz were afraid of this. Heck, I think it's possible they were hoping for this so they could slot him into 2nd/3rd guy money.

I still think some team is going to overpay him, and Jazz management will feel the need to match it. The Celtics come to mind.

[Blueintheface]

I don't think the Jazz were afraid of this. Heck, I think it's possible they were hoping for this so they could slot him into 2nd/3rd guy money.

Certainly possible. In fact your scenario is much more likely because the Jazz appear to be fixated on the wing players in this year's draft. I do think they would have been pleased to pay more this year had he proven to be a #1 though (which is different than saying the Jazz were afraid of his failure obviously).

[Jacob]

the Jazz appear to be fixated on the wing players in this year's draft.

They are? How could we know that other than Chad Ford thinks they'd pick Jabari #1? In any case, the Jazz appear unlikely to be drafting in the top 4. Last night and tonight would have been 2 really good loses to bad teams.

[byu71]

Does Jabari play the same position as Hayward? I vascilate back and forth on Hayward. Probably natural as he seems to vascilate back and forth from being outstanding to a bit above average.

[Jacob]

Does Jabari play the same position as Hayward? I vascilate back and forth on Hayward. Probably natural as he seems to vascilate back and forth from being outstanding to a bit above average.

They both play multiple positions. Hayward can switch between 2 and 3, while Jabari can probably play 3 or 4 at the next level (though Jabari can probably play any position in college and has played the 5 some for duke).

[smokymountainrain]

They both play multiple positions. Hayward can switch between 2 and 3, while Jabari can probably play 3 or 4 at the next level (though Jabari can probably play any position in college and has played the 5 some for duke).

Yep, Jabari can play the 3 or the 4 on offense and can't defend any position, so I'm not sure it matters where they put him. Put him out there, tell him to score and rebound and hope the other team doesn't attack him too often.

[Blueintheface]

Does Jabari play the same position as Hayward? I vascilate back and forth on Hayward. Probably natural as he seems to vascilate back and forth from being outstanding to a bit above average.

His shooting issues continue but in the last game 2 games at least he understood he wasn't going to shoot his way out of it and did just about everything else very well, even attacking the basket now and again.

[byu71]

His shooting issues continue but in the last game 2 games at least he understood he wasn't going to shoot his way out of it and did just about everything else very well, even attacking the basket now and again.

As I have said I have no expertise, just questions and opinions that may not be sound. With that premise, isn't that what we said about Kirelinko (sp)? He had so many abilities that he was worth all that money.

[smokymountainrain]

As I have said I have no expertise, just questions and opinions that may not be sound. With that premise, isn't that what we said about Kirelinko (sp)? He had so many abilities that he was worth all that money.

Jabari and Kirilenko are pretty much polar opposites.

[Jacob]

As I have said I have no expertise, just questions and opinions that may not be sound. With that premise, isn't that what we said about Kirelinko (sp)? He had so many abilities that he was worth all that money.

Jabari and Kirilenko are pretty much polar opposites.

And Kirilenko had been in the league for 4 years before signing his big deal. Even as the $1 draft pick, Jabari would "only" start at just over $5m per year. But Jabari is bound to be a very successful NBA player. All the other top picks also have short-comings. I agree with many commentators, that Jabari is the most "sure thing" while 2 other guys might have a little more potential.

[byu71]

Jabari and Kirilenko are pretty much polar opposites.

Sure. My point was didn't we pay Kirelenko big bugs because people said he could do more than one thing well? Or do you mean one of them can do a lot of things well and the other can do only one or two things really well?

[Donuthole]

Sure. My point was didn't we pay Kirelenko big bugs because people said he could do more than one thing well? Or do you mean one of them can do a lot of things well and the other can do only one or two things really well?

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