Originally posted by Surfah
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The PAC 10 expansion groundswell
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He still hates the BCS.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
Dig your own grave, and save!
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
"I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally
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Exactly. I like that Utah is in the PAC12 but will always hate the BCS.Originally posted by falafel View PostHe still hates the BCS."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
"I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader
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The benefit of one those schools going indy is not enough to do it. byu greatly increased their money in football (probably X6) and probably stayed the same in other sports. Texas, USC etc... are not going to increase their revenue by 600%.Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostI mostly agree with this, but this is the ace that the likes of UT, USC, and a few others can hold to get what they want in negotiations with their conference mates."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla
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Please explain this egregious assault on my character.Originally posted by Surfah View PostI knew you were a BYU fan all along."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
"I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader
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You love BYU for getting you into the Pac 12 and you hate the BCS that keeps them out of a national championship game. And you're an ALUF. We all know those are mythical.Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View PostPlease explain this egregious assault on my character."Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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There are other views besides those of Chip Brown and Delous Dodds. You make it seem that Texas - a state sponsered school - is free to do whatever it wants at the expense of other major state sponsored schools (A&M and Tech) in Texas. Texas politics will assure that UT and A&M will play in the same conference along with Tech. For example, UT had conversations with the Big Ten but had a "Tech problem". The Big Ten would have accepted UT and A&M but not Tech and UT couldn't move forward without them. There are similar political issues that keep OU chained to OK St. And it will probably be a reason why UT will not be able to go independent (unless A&M and Tech have spots in the SEC which UT does not want for recruiting reasons). If UT threatens to go independent, I wonder it A&M will threaten to never play them again (similar to the scenerio you describe with A&M joining the SEC).Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostNot sure where your info is coming from but it speaks against everything that was being reported by people close to the story.
OU told dodds, "we go where you go". OSU was a throw in at the request of OU and TT was for UT. Scott didn't need or want them but was willing in order to grab the cash cows. A&M told UT you go to PAC, we are going to SEC. Scott had Utah waiting in the ready for any team that backed out or if the plan failed all together. When UT came back, A&M was still leaning to going to SEC. Texas told them that was fine, do it and they would never see a game against UT again, ever, no matter where, no matter the sport.
The only part I agree with is that UT has everything it needs now. 15m a year from longhorn tv and another 17 from Big 12. They are good to go for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't expect UT to move to independence until after 2020, if at all.
But your'e correct about OU. It doesn't surprise me that OU would follow UT around even though the Sooners are a better fit in the SEC.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostThe benefit of one those schools going indy is not enough to do it. byu greatly increased their money in football (probably X6) and probably stayed the same in other sports. Texas, USC etc... are not going to increase their revenue by 600%.
They don't have to. The leverage is decreasing the remaining schools revenue by 6x.
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Ok lets say USC decides to go indy in football. The PAC-12 says ok None of our schools will play you in any sport. USC go Big West in Basketball.Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostThey don't have to. The leverage is decreasing the remaining schools revenue by 6x.
Is USC going to get 25+ million a year from a new USC network and ESPN?"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla
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Playing BYU on ESPN beats Utah on Versus.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostOk lets say USC decides to go indy in football. The PAC-12 says ok None of our schools will play you in any sport. USC go Big West in Basketball.
Is USC going to get 25+ million a year from a new USC network and ESPN?"Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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IPU has integrity. I respect that.Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View PostExactly. I like that Utah is in the PAC12 but will always hate the BCS."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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Playing the Pac-12 Championship game on ESPN beats playing Utah st. in DecemberOriginally posted by Surfah View PostPlaying BYU on ESPN beats Utah on Versus."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla
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Yeah, but who knows when that's going to happen?Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostPlaying the Pac-12 Championship game on ESPN beats playing Utah st. in DecemberAin't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
Dig your own grave, and save!
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
"I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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And you believe anything that comes out of the mouth or is quoted from Dan Beebe? Chip Brown is a mouthpice of Dodds - he's a UT homer. The world is bigger then Texas.Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostYou're right, included in my posts are input from Dan Beebe and Bill Byrne. That pretty much covers the gamut of who should know what about how this went down.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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