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  • falafel
    loves to talk on things
    • Mar 2009
    • 38010

    #2821
    Originally posted by Surfah View Post
    How about you're now in a BCS conference because of BYU?
    He still hates the BCS.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    • il Padrino Ute
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 19161

      #2822
      Originally posted by falafel View Post
      He still hates the BCS.
      Exactly. I like that Utah is in the PAC12 but will always hate the BCS.
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      • Surfah
        Where's Wallace?
        • Nov 2008
        • 33726

        #2823
        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
        Exactly. I like that Utah is in the PAC12 but will always hate the BCS.
        I knew you were a BYU fan all along.
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        • Mormon Red Death
          BYU Delenda Est
          • Nov 2008
          • 8077

          #2824
          Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
          I mostly agree with this, but this is the ace that the likes of UT, USC, and a few others can hold to get what they want in negotiations with their conference mates.
          The benefit of one those schools going indy is not enough to do it. byu greatly increased their money in football (probably X6) and probably stayed the same in other sports. Texas, USC etc... are not going to increase their revenue by 600%.
          "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

          "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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          • il Padrino Ute
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 19161

            #2825
            Originally posted by Surfah View Post
            I knew you were a BYU fan all along.
            Please explain this egregious assault on my character.
            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


            "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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            • Surfah
              Where's Wallace?
              • Nov 2008
              • 33726

              #2826
              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
              Please explain this egregious assault on my character.
              You love BYU for getting you into the Pac 12 and you hate the BCS that keeps them out of a national championship game. And you're an ALUF. We all know those are mythical.
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              • Paperback Writer
                Signature won a Pulitzer
                • Nov 2010
                • 5211

                #2827
                Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
                Not sure where your info is coming from but it speaks against everything that was being reported by people close to the story.

                OU told dodds, "we go where you go". OSU was a throw in at the request of OU and TT was for UT. Scott didn't need or want them but was willing in order to grab the cash cows. A&M told UT you go to PAC, we are going to SEC. Scott had Utah waiting in the ready for any team that backed out or if the plan failed all together. When UT came back, A&M was still leaning to going to SEC. Texas told them that was fine, do it and they would never see a game against UT again, ever, no matter where, no matter the sport.

                The only part I agree with is that UT has everything it needs now. 15m a year from longhorn tv and another 17 from Big 12. They are good to go for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't expect UT to move to independence until after 2020, if at all.
                There are other views besides those of Chip Brown and Delous Dodds. You make it seem that Texas - a state sponsered school - is free to do whatever it wants at the expense of other major state sponsored schools (A&M and Tech) in Texas. Texas politics will assure that UT and A&M will play in the same conference along with Tech. For example, UT had conversations with the Big Ten but had a "Tech problem". The Big Ten would have accepted UT and A&M but not Tech and UT couldn't move forward without them. There are similar political issues that keep OU chained to OK St. And it will probably be a reason why UT will not be able to go independent (unless A&M and Tech have spots in the SEC which UT does not want for recruiting reasons). If UT threatens to go independent, I wonder it A&M will threaten to never play them again (similar to the scenerio you describe with A&M joining the SEC).

                But your'e correct about OU. It doesn't surprise me that OU would follow UT around even though the Sooners are a better fit in the SEC.
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                • Coach McGuirk
                  1
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 12109

                  #2828
                  Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                  The benefit of one those schools going indy is not enough to do it. byu greatly increased their money in football (probably X6) and probably stayed the same in other sports. Texas, USC etc... are not going to increase their revenue by 600%.

                  They don't have to. The leverage is decreasing the remaining schools revenue by 6x.

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                  • Coach McGuirk
                    1
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 12109

                    #2829
                    Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                    There are other views besides those of Chip Brown and Delous Dodds.
                    You're right, included in my posts are input from Dan Beebe and Bill Byrne. That pretty much covers the gamut of who should know what about how this went down.

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                    • Mormon Red Death
                      BYU Delenda Est
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 8077

                      #2830
                      Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
                      They don't have to. The leverage is decreasing the remaining schools revenue by 6x.
                      Ok lets say USC decides to go indy in football. The PAC-12 says ok None of our schools will play you in any sport. USC go Big West in Basketball.

                      Is USC going to get 25+ million a year from a new USC network and ESPN?
                      "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                      "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                      • Surfah
                        Where's Wallace?
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 33726

                        #2831
                        Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                        Ok lets say USC decides to go indy in football. The PAC-12 says ok None of our schools will play you in any sport. USC go Big West in Basketball.

                        Is USC going to get 25+ million a year from a new USC network and ESPN?
                        Playing BYU on ESPN beats Utah on Versus.
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                        • Jeff Lebowski
                          Corporate lackey for Jesus
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 69758

                          #2832
                          Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                          Exactly. I like that Utah is in the PAC12 but will always hate the BCS.
                          IPU has integrity. I respect that.
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                          • Mormon Red Death
                            BYU Delenda Est
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 8077

                            #2833
                            Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                            Playing BYU on ESPN beats Utah on Versus.
                            Playing the Pac-12 Championship game on ESPN beats playing Utah st. in December
                            "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                            "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                            • falafel
                              loves to talk on things
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 38010

                              #2834
                              Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                              Playing the Pac-12 Championship game on ESPN beats playing Utah st. in December
                              Yeah, but who knows when that's going to happen?
                              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                              Dig your own grave, and save!

                              "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                              "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • Paperback Writer
                                Signature won a Pulitzer
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 5211

                                #2835
                                Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
                                You're right, included in my posts are input from Dan Beebe and Bill Byrne. That pretty much covers the gamut of who should know what about how this went down.
                                And you believe anything that comes out of the mouth or is quoted from Dan Beebe? Chip Brown is a mouthpice of Dodds - he's a UT homer. The world is bigger then Texas.
                                “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
                                "All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel

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