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    I started a new thread because I don't like the title of the other one, and it's become totally corrupted. This one is about how Pac 10 expansion is growing into a national story. Statman is right (for once). The whole atmosphere around this issue has changed. This is no longer the exclusive province of Bleacher, Block U, and Cougargoard.

    Here's a poll in the Oregonian:

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/pac10/201..._be_added.html

    Lorenzo Romar sounds off on his support for expansion:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...romar_c_1.html

    Mike Montgomery weighs in his support:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/sports-he...nclick_check=1

    Husky football Blog (yes!):

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss

    Check this out (what I have been saying for years; I knew it before the Pac 10 thought about it):

    Scott said there is "more intriuge, perhaps'' about expansion from some conference presidents, chancellors and athletic directors due to the fact that other conferences are also again considering expansion (notably, the Big Ten).

    But he also said there is no pressure to expand just because others are, and he said that the requirements for schools that would enter the conference haven't changed, saying again that any new entry would have to be the proper fit "academically and culturally'' --- which means, I think you can say safely, no Boise State or BYU or California state school (none of which fit either as research institutions or having the total academic and athletic package. Also, TV market will be important, and not just what a school would add but having it be more than what it would also take away as the percentage of the pie for all schools shrinks with every school that is added).
    The Sacramento Bee:

    http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/2525814.html

    ESPN:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-consideration

    These are just a few examples. The change, the elevation of the dialogue has occurred virtually overnight.
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    Well of course there is a groundswell over night. The PAC 10 commissioner make remarks just yesterday about considering expansion. These people are just reporting the news.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    • #3
      I haven't seen such a pandemic since Y2K!
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      • #4
        I am in the fair land of Provo today having escaped the east coast blizzard by a few hours. Had lunch with my cousin down here in the bubble. It's definitely buzzing throughout the athletic dept. That means very little to nothing but it really seems that something is afoot, but we both suspect it has nothing to do with BYU.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by falafel View Post
          Well of course there is a groundswell over night. The PAC 10 commissioner make remarks just yesterday about considering expansion. These people are just reporting the news.
          LA Times reports on the urgency:

          http://www.latimes.com/sports/colleg...,1268259.story

          Kal fans all for it, love the Utes:

          http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com...10-expansion-a
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          • #6
            What happened to the urgency of Pitt to the B10? That died out pretty quickly and was supposed to be imminent.

            The P10 won't expand if the B10 doesn't.

            Also, the B10 didn't need a conference championship game to get its own TV deal. The P10 will likely forgo expansion and focus on its own TV deal.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
              What happened to the urgency of Pitt to the B10? That died out pretty quickly and was supposed to be imminent.

              The P10 won't expand if the B10 doesn't.

              Also, the B10 didn't need a conference championship game to get its own TV deal. The P10 will likely forgo expansion and focus on its own TV deal.
              Is it different if the comish talks about it vs. somebody on a Pitt fan site?
              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                What happened to the urgency of Pitt to the B10? That died out pretty quickly and was supposed to be imminent.

                The P10 won't expand if the B10 doesn't.

                Also, the B10 didn't need a conference championship game to get its own TV deal. The P10 will likely forgo expansion and focus on its own TV deal.
                You know what, if the P10 dinks around it may lose Utah, Colorado and BYU to the Big 12. That would suck for the Pac 10. It's already lost a lot of cache with this basketball season and last football season and USC's crimes.
                When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                  Kal fans all for it, love the Utes:

                  http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com...10-expansion-a
                  C'mon, report the facts! There's no more love for the Utes in there than for any other school, including BYU. In fact, almost every time the Utes are mentioned, its in tandem with BYU.

                  Also, SU, take note: someone on that site claimed BYU was a research university. But someone else laughed at them, so I think it balanced out.
                  Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                  "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                  GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                    What happened to the urgency of Pitt to the B10? That died out pretty quickly and was supposed to be imminent.

                    The P10 won't expand if the B10 doesn't.

                    Also, the B10 didn't need a conference championship game to get its own TV deal. The P10 will likely forgo expansion and focus on its own TV deal.
                    Pitt will go to the Big 10. Just wait and see.
                    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      Is it different if the comish talks about it vs. somebody on a Pitt fan site?
                      The Commish said they were considering it and were going to look into it...not that they were going to do it. The Pitt fan said it was going to happen. So yes, there is definitely a difference.

                      The B10 and P10 have moved in lockstep through many of these changes. This is an exciting story, no doubt, but unfortunately, will likely not come to fruition.

                      Clearly, the biggest order of priority is to secure a TV deal (something the B10 already has despite a lack of championship game). What good does expansion do the P10 without a distribution deal in place? ESPN already is in bed with the SEC, so the hope would have to be a pairing with someone like NBC....Notre Dame in the early afternoon followed by the PAC in the early evening. I think this is what the commish means when he says he is "looking into" things.

                      However, it is good to see where Ute fans really stand with regards to the P10. It is clear that Ute fans recognize the P10s athletic superiority. Guys like Crimson, foyero, et al...salivating at the chance to take road trips to all the P10 venues, dreaming about the chance to play superior competition each week...I think this has been a good development, regardless of how the story plays out. Now all the mid-major folks can stop pretending that mid-majors are on par with BCS conferences.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                        I started a new thread because I don't like the title of the other one, and it's become totally corrupted. This one is about how Pac 10 expansion is growing into a national story. Statman is right (for once). The whole atmosphere around this issue has changed. This is no longer the exclusive province of Bleacher, Block U, and Cougargoard.

                        Here's a poll in the Oregonian:

                        http://blog.oregonlive.com/pac10/201..._be_added.html

                        Lorenzo Romar sounds off on his support for expansion:

                        http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...romar_c_1.html

                        Mike Montgomery weighs in his support:

                        http://www.mercurynews.com/sports-he...nclick_check=1

                        Husky football Blog (yes!):

                        http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss

                        Check this out (what I have been saying for years; I knew it before the Pac 10 thought about it):



                        The Sacramento Bee:

                        http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/2525814.html

                        ESPN:

                        http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-consideration

                        These are just a few examples. The change, the elevation of the dialogue has occurred virtually overnight.
                        Someone should correct Mr. Scott. I can live with him saying research and academically, but is the guy really dumb enough to add athletically. LOL

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                          Pitt will go to the Big 10. Just wait and see.
                          I did wait. It was supposed to happen last Friday (or the week before that?).

                          It turned out to be a Great Pumpkin moment. No big announcement. No Pitt joining the Big 10.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by falafel View Post
                            C'mon, report the facts! There's no more love for the Utes in there than for any other school, including BYU. In fact, almost every time the Utes are mentioned, its in tandem with BYU.

                            Also, SU, take note: someone on that site claimed BYU was a research university. But someone else laughed at them, so I think it balanced out.
                            Actually, I am quite surprised. In the poll the Utes are ahead with BSU and BYU tied. In an Arizona poll, BSU is the choice.

                            We can harp about the academians all we want and they are dreary. However, there are a group of folks like it or not that equate BYU with Bob Jones University. Some of the religion stuff being injected constantly grates on a lot of people, including some BYU fans.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                              I did wait. It was supposed to happen last Friday (or the week before that?).

                              It turned out to be a Great Pumpkin moment. No big announcement. No Pitt joining the Big 10.
                              Okay, you're right. Since a Pitt fan site said it would happen last Friday, and it didn't happen, game over dude!
                              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                              --Jonathan Swift

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