The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[myboynoah]

Your concern for the Pac 10 is touching. Maybe its really not such a good idea and we should say no.

Those were serious questions.

[UtahDan]

Those were serious questions.

Yeah, but your efforts to catalog first why it won't happen and now why its such a bad idea don't incline me toward giving an answer. You've had your fun for the last few days but today a few of us are going to enjoy a huge moment for us. I'm not interested in what some hack in Denver thinks nor really whether BYU fans have their minds wrapped around the financial aspects of this. If it makes you feel better to continue down this road I certainly don't begrudge you it, but I am not playing along.

[DrumNFeather]

I hope the Utes get a better beat writer out of all of this...

[LA Ute]

Also, the stadium size requirement seems odd given smaller stadiums already exist elsewhere in the Pac-10. Why that one? How many more seats does Utah need to add? Seems trivial to me.

I think there is pressure on some of those schools to expand. In any case, the PAC has its reasons. Things like this happen in negotiations involving the almighty $$$. (I know nothing and am just speculating.)

Who would pay for modifications to RES? Would that fall upon the taxpayers of Utah? Or private donations?

I think the State Legislature will impose a special tax on multi-level marketing companies. Seriously, it will have to be all private, IMO. I don't see a penny coming from the taxpayers. Just like not one single tithing dollar ever touched the LES expansion.

[myboynoah]

Yeah, but your efforts to catalog first why it won't happen and now why its such a bad idea don't incline me toward giving an answer. You've had your fun for the last few days but today a few of us are going to enjoy a huge moment for us. I'm not interested in what some hack in Denver thinks nor really whether BYU fans have their minds wrapped around the financial aspects of this. If it makes you feel better to continue down this road I certainly don't begrudge you it, but I am not playing along.

Hmmm, how to respond. For one who appears to relish in kicking the hornet’s nest that CB can be, I’m a bit perplexed by your reaction.

It appears that my posting here over the last week has offended some Utah Fans. If so, I sincerely apologize. That wasn't my intent. I was having fun, responding to other Utah Fans (one in particular whose initials are S&U). My effort was to try to link what seemed to be legitimate reporting. Most of it was not favorable to Utah's Pac-10 aspirations at first, but I did not shy away from linking the hopeful reports as well, especially as things turned Utah's way. I honestly was just having fun.

The more recent links to unfavorable opinions from your future Pac-10 destinations have been for similar reasons. Frankly, that's the primary message that is out there. No one needs to read them if they find them disturbing or upsetting. Hence, I don't feel inclined to stop linking articles that I think many will find interesting or informative.

I try to be consistent in this forum and other related forums. I don't take one approach here and quite a different approach elsewhere. Perhaps that is my error.

My sincere wishes of good tidings on this huge moment for you and other Utah Fans.

I'm going to bed.

[CJF]

Athletic director Mike Bohn said Colorado's entry date to the Pac-10 is still being worked out, but with Nebraska beginning Big Ten play in 2011, there obviously is a lot of momentum for the Buffs to make their Pac-10 debut in the same year.

However, the less notice given under Big 12 bylaws, the greater the financial penalty. Colorado's athletic department was already in pretty dire straits -- reportedly one of the reasons that coach Dan Hawkins was spared -- so how could it afford a penalty of potentially $9 million? With a little help from its new friends.

Both Bohn and Pac-10 officials say there is a plan in place for the school's new league to help the Buffs finance their Big 12 penalty. (Since the Big 12 is simply withholding a revenue share, there is nothing to be paid off per se; the Pac-10 will simply help the CU athletic department make up whatever budget shortfall it will have without the anticipated Big 12 money.) So for the next year, at least, it appears that the original Pac-10 schools will get less money, because presumably some of their TV revenue will be given to the Buffaloes.

Tell us again when expansion is supposed to start paying off for the Pac-10?

This is interesting from ESPN Insider. Would they give Utah the same cut if they move over?

[beefytee]

This is interesting from ESPN Insider. Would they give Utah the same cut if they move over?

Utah doesn't get any money withheld. They get everything until they are no longer playing in the MWC. So there is no need for the Pac-10 to make up a shortfall.

I don't think Utah is in financial trouble anyways.

[CJF]

Utah doesn't get any money withheld. They get everything until they are no longer playing in the MWC. So there is no need for the Pac-10 to make up a shortfall.

I don't think Utah is in financial trouble anyways.

I understand that. I'm wondering why Colorado gets a cut for not being in the conference and Utah wouldn't. It was Colorado's choice to take on those penalties. They knew they were coming and didn't fire their bad coach because of it. They haven't been caught off guard. I think Utah deserves an equal share also if they're going to move over.

[tooblue]

I understand that. I'm wondering why Colorado gets a cut for not being in the conference and Utah wouldn't. It was Colorado's choice to take on those penalties. They knew they were coming and didn't fire their bad coach because of it. They haven't been caught off guard. I think Utah deserves an equal share also if they're going to move over.

Perhaps the PAC 10 is asking Utah to pay some of CU's exit fee and that's part of the hold up and reason for the lack of an announcement?

[KillerDog]

Utah has an offer on the table and the Board of Trustees is meeting today. I have a colleague on the board who has been called up from St. George for the vote. They will meet today and decide. Announcement will be tomorrow, according to the BOT member.

[SeattleUte]

Utah has an offer on the table and the Board of Trustees is meeting today. I have a colleague on the board who has been called up from St. George for the vote. They will meet today and decide. Announcement will be tomorrow, according to the BOT member.

One reason for the differing intelligence is that there are quite a lot of trustees and they are spread all over. They may have different perceptions about what is going on in terms of the details.

[KillerDog]

One reason for the differing intelligence is that there are quite a lot of trustees and they are spread all over. They may have different perceptions about what is going on in terms of the details.

There aren't that many members:

Mr. Randy L. Dryer, Chair
Ms. Michele Mattsson , Vice Chair
Mr. Spencer F. Eccles, Treasurer

Mr. A. Scott Anderson
Mr. Timothy B. Anderson
Mr. H. Roger Boyer
Ms. Lisa Eccles
Mr. Clark D. Ivory
Mr. Chase Jardine
Ms. Joyce P. Valdez
Mr. Jim M. Wall

More importantly, I've now spoken with another member of the Board of Trustees who confirmed what I had been told. I now have 1/4 of the regular board members who agree that they are voting today and announcing tomorrow.

[pellegrino]

This is interesting from ESPN Insider. Would they give Utah the same cut if they move over?

If I were a PAC 10 president I would be incensed with Scott at this. Not only did they strike out with the Texas schools but they now have to cover CU's debts and help them limp into the conference? It's possible that CU costs the PAC 10 more money in the first five years of membership than it will bring in.

[U-Ute]

Totally agree. That the Utes would even consider desecrating the memory of the 2002 Olympics speaks volumes to how low they've sunk.

As a side note, there have always been plans to increase the size of RES. Specifically to rebuild the south end and fill in the corners. This will probably just accelerate the time frame, much like the Olympics accelerated the time frame of knocking down Rice and building RES.

The plans were to increase it to 60k. From what I'm hearing, the request is to go to 65k (+20k).

[Flystripper]

If I were a PAC 10 president I would be incensed with Scott at this. Not only did they strike out with the Texas schools but they now have to cover CU's debts and help them limp into the conference? It's possible that CU costs the PAC 10 more money in the first five years of membership than it will bring in.

yeah this is pretty amazing tbh