The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Is the Baylor issue even an issue?

If it comes to picking either Baylor or Colorado for Scott, that is one of the few easy decisions the Pac-10 commissioner has left. As long as his league gets Texas, it doesn't matter.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...eadlines;other

[Uncle Ted]

Baylor College of Medicine is not affiliated with the Baylor University undergraduate campus in any way, just like the Baylor University Hospital in Dallas is not associated with Baylor University in Waco. At some point a very long time ago, they were affiliated, but they got divorced themselves from each other many years ago.

Then by SU's argument the PAC-10+6 should really be after the Baylor College of Medicine. Nothing else counts.

[SeattleUte]

Hmm...

Yes, according to this report the PAC-10+6 should take Baylor over Colorado since it seems that Baylor has a better (research) med school.

Baylor medical school has nothing to do with Ken Starr's Baylor. Just ask Mike Waters. He'll straighten you out. (Last I heard Baylor Med might merge with Rice.)

[CardiacCoug]

Baylor medical school has nothing to do with Ken Starr's Baylor. Just ask Mike Waters. He'll straighten you out. (Last I heard Baylor Med might merge with Rice.)

This is true. Baylor College of Medicine in Houston has no affiliation whatsoever with the religious fanatics in Waco since 1969.

http://www.bcm.edu/about/history.cfm

[SeattleUte]

Is the Baylor issue even an issue?



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...eadlines;other

One thing this has taught mem is how much and deeply the Pac 10 loathes BYU. "Southern Baptist Baylor, legacy of the Confederacy, with its preacherman Ken Starr, no problema. But we don't even want BYU on our whiteboard."

[SeattleUte]

Honestly this is all great news for Utah and BYU fans. What more could we ask for than cataclysm, massive fracturing of the status quo? That Texas is forcing the Pac 10 to exclude Kansas and Colorado is also great news. (We should hold off on offering Boise until the dust settles.) BYU fans, just sit tight, we'll tell you your fate when this is all over.

[LiveCoug]

One thing this has taught mem is how much and deeply the Pac 10 loathes BYU. "Southern Baptist Baylor, legacy of the Confederacy, with its preacherman Ken Starr, no problema. But we don't even want BYU on our whiteboard."

LOL.. If BYU were exactly the same as they are now, but located in Texas, then BYU would be the one going to the PAC with Texas.

Of course you already know this, but you have your schtick, so you gotta use it.

[LA Ute]

I would sure like to see more here about the current jumble in college football (an what I think is the possible destruction of the sport and its traditions) than mindless BYU-bashing and reactions thereto (mixed with a bunch of academic standing smack). Can we get back to conference realignment, please?

[SeattleUte]

I would sure like to see more here about the current jumble in college football (an what I think is the possible destruction of the sport and its traditions) than mindless BYU-bashing and reactions thereto (mixed with a bunch of academic standing smack). Can we get back to conference realignment, please?

Do you agree with me that if you look at the forest and not just the trees this is great news for Utah? It's not like the old guard and old tradtions have served as as well as they might have.

[LA Ute]

Do you agree with me that if you look at the forest and not just the trees this is great news for Utah? It's not like the old guard and old tradtions have served as as well as they might have.

I'm not so sure. The chaos does create opportunity, but also lots of uncertainty. I liked it better when we were looking at two simple scenarios: Utah to the PAC10 with CU, or the MWC becoming an AQ conference.

[SeattleUte]

I'm not so sure. The chaos does create opportunity, but also lots of uncertainty. I liked it better when we were looking at two simple scenarios: Utah to the PAC10 with CU, or the MWC becoming an AQ conference.

Well, mark this down. Put it in your sig if you want. I have no doubt that the wilder and crazier it gets the better for the Utes. We have no place to go but up in terms of conference affiliation, and I never did get many warm and fuzzies about the prospect of Utah and CU to the Pac 10.

[woot]

LOL.. If BYU were exactly the same as they are now, but located in Texas, then BYU would be the one going to the PAC with Texas.

Of course you already know this, but you have your schtick, so you gotta use it.

Agreed. While Baylor has some of the same issues as BYU and is not a school that the Pac10 would ever want to deal with, if the legislature somehow forces Baylor into a package deal they'll take them. I imagine even the Big10 would probably take that deal, despite the blight that Baylor would be on their reputation. The rumors had it that the Big10 would take UConn in a package with Rutgers and Syracuse too, which is what started the rumors about the Big10 backing down from their "standards". Well, that and Notre Dame, which is not a member of the AAU either, but their academic, and to a lesser extent research, reputation is such that they're in the same league or perhaps better than some schools that are members.

The Baylor principle applies to BYU as well. As toxic as they are, their odds would be much higher if they could set up a coattail-riding deal like SU for some reason thinks they already have. Shame that Utah doesn't have any coattails to ride on.

I am liking the prospect of the MWC recreating itself with the nucleus intact and with the addition of BSU and some BCS leftovers. If they choose judiciously that could be a pretty good conference. If they could chop about 4 existing MWC teams off the bottom, they'd have a damn good conference.

[myboynoah]

Here is the big concern, IMHO, if you are a Ute Fan:

But if the Pac-10 and it's consultant, Creative Artists Agency, have decided that adding Colorado and Utah won't create enough additional revenue to make it worthwhile, perhaps the only expansion plan that makes sense is adding Texas along with whatever it takes to get Texas.

Scott painting enviable Pac-10 picture

This isn't the first time that someone who has interviewed Scott has suggested adding Utah will not be a net plus in terms of revenues going to the member institutions. Texas has been "the" target for some time. Did it just suddenly explode onto the scene or has the Pac-10 been exploring other options all along and they have finally come forward with a viable plan? Pac-10 officials reportedly visited Texas and aTm two weeks ago.

Let's say the Big-12 stays intact. Does that really mean the pathway to Utah's Pac-10 invitation is all that clear? It sounds like there are concerns about how many $$$ Utah can bring along. In the end, its all about the $$$.

[LA Ute]

Here is the big concern, IMHO, if you are a Ute Fan:



Scott painting enviable Pac-10 picture

This isn't the first time that someone who has interviewed Scott has suggested adding Utah will not be a net plus in terms of revenues going to the member institutions. Texas has been "the" target for some time. Did it just suddenly explode onto the scene or has the Pac-10 been exploring other options all along and they have finally come forward with a viable plan? Pac-10 officials reportedly visited Texas and aTm two weeks ago.

Let's say the Big-12 stays intact. Does that really mean the pathway to Utah's Pac-10 invitation is all that clear? It sounds like there are concerns about how many $$$ Utah can bring along. In the end, its all about the $$$.

I don't see the concern. You're just going on bit and pieces of info, just like a lot of optimistic Ute fans were. It'll be a while before we know the whole story.

[myboynoah]

I don't see the concern.

Whew. Thank you. That takes a load off my mind.