The Police Brutality Thread

[old_gregg]

I'm not talking about the cop.

then don't use absolutes

[il Padrino Ute]

then don't use absolutes

You're correct that I should have been more clear.

[Bo Diddley]

Did he injure the kid? I didn't play real close attention to the story.

Dunno. So as long as no one gets hurt is it OK?

[smokymountainrain]

Dunno. So as long as no one gets hurt is it OK?

I would argue that if the cop didn't hurt the kid, he kept his use of force in check. The kid was removed from the situation at hand and it was done without injury. Seems about how one would want any situation handled.

[TripletDaddy]

I would argue that if the cop didn't hurt the kid, he kept his use of force in check. The kid was removed from the situation at hand and it was done without injury. Seems about how one would want any situation handled.

i guess there should be an "eye test" component, as well. How does it look on camera to an internet audience?

[cougjunkie]

My senior year of high school we had a substitute teacher in our small engines class. I sluffed the first day she was there, the 2nd day I showed up late and the entire class was sitting with heads down on their desks. I walked in and asked what was going on and she immediately told me to "shut up and sit down". I had a soda in my hand, sat at my desk and cracked it open. She walked over with a garbage can in hand and told me to throw the soda away. This was a shop class, the normal teacher had no problem with soda and snacks. I told her "no", she started screaming at me. She slapped the soda can off my desk and in to the garbage and it splattered all over me and her. I actually started laughing and told her she needed to chill out. Again she told me to shut up and sit down. After a few quiet minutes, I decided I had enough and got up to leave.

As I walked to the front of the room she grabbed my arm and told me I wasn't leaving, I pulled my arm away and in doing so she flopped worse than Ginobili and hit one of those huge free standing toolboxes. She laid on the ground screaming for someone to call the police. She reached up grabbed her phone and over the entire loud speaker for the school yelled for security to come that a student had attacked her. I leisurely walked out of the class and down the hall and watched security run right by me to the classroom.

The next class period I was taken down to the office and she told the principal I physically attacked her and threw her in to the toolbox and that she wanted to press charges. She said I was verbally berating her and she was scared for her safety and the other students. Long story short all of the other students backed me up, and we had a camera in the classroom, she was let go as a substitute and nothing happened to me.

I did tell her if she would have removed all the other students, shut off all the lights and waited until I had to pee, it all could have been avoided.

[TripletDaddy]

I did tell her if she would have removed all the other students, shut off all the lights...it all could have been avoided.

[Bo Diddley]

My senior year of high school we had a substitute teacher in our small engines class. I sluffed the first day she was there, the 2nd day I showed up late and the entire class was sitting with heads down on their desks. I walked in and asked what was going on and she immediately told me to "shut up and sit down". I had a soda in my hand, sat at my desk and cracked it open. She walked over with a garbage can in hand and told me to throw the soda away. This was a shop class, the normal teacher had no problem with soda and snacks. I told her "no", she started screaming at me. She slapped the soda can off my desk and in to the garbage and it splattered all over me and her. I actually started laughing and told her she needed to chill out. Again she told me to shut up and sit down. After a few quiet minutes, I decided I had enough and got up to leave.

As I walked to the front of the room she grabbed my arm and told me I wasn't leaving, I pulled my arm away and in doing so she flopped worse than Ginobili and hit one of those huge free standing toolboxes. She laid on the ground screaming for someone to call the police. She reached up grabbed her phone and over the entire loud speaker for the school yelled for security to come that a student had attacked her. I leisurely walked out of the class and down the hall and watched security run right by me to the classroom.

The next class period I was taken down to the office and she told the principal I physically attacked her and threw her in to the toolbox and that she wanted to press charges. She said I was verbally berating her and she was scared for her safety and the other students. Long story short all of the other students backed me up, and we had a camera in the classroom, she was let go as a substitute and nothing happened to me.

I did tell her if she would have removed all the other students, shut off all the lights and waited until I had to pee, it all could have been avoided.

Did you tell this story before? Maybe over on another site?

[Bo Diddley]

I would argue that if the cop didn't hurt the kid, he kept his use of force in check. The kid was removed from the situation at hand and it was done without injury. Seems about how one would want any situation handled.

That's why you knock kids in the head when no one's looking. The bruises won't show because of the hair on their head.

[Green Monstah]

Without commenting on whether I think the officer in SC should have been fired or not (I haven't watched enough video or paid enough attention to speak intelligently about it), I am wondering how many people here have ever had to physically subdue someone adolescent or older who was dead set on not being subdued. It is not an easy task. I imagine even with training it is difficult to judge how much force is necessary.

I substitute taught in between the time I graduated and started my first job. I had a 16 year old girl attack me in the hallway because I asked her to give a kid his cell phone back. She was not all there, and she became violent. I played rodeo clown for a couple of minutes until campus police arrived. Pepper spray didn't work, and it took four grown men to get her in handcuffs (she was a biter).

I sympathize with the cop, but I'm still not convinced that a recalcitrant student deserves to be flipped on her head and tossed across the room until she gives the police no choice.

[old_gregg]

until she gives the police no choice.

when does this time come?

[Green Monstah]

when does this time come?

It's definitely a judgment call. Obviously if she's trying to hurt herself or others physically. Maybe my kids are just holy terrors, but they've pulled this kind of stubborn "I'm not gonna move" garbage at home. It would be child abuse if I acted in a manner similar to the police officer.

It's easy to armchair QB this one, though, for sure.

[smokymountainrain]

That's why you knock kids in the head when no one's looking. The bruises won't show because of the hair on their head.

The assumption is here was that the kid wasn't injured - visible or not.

[wuapinmon]

The heaved girl is a ward of the state living in a group home. Jesse Jackson just gave a speech at my college about voter registration issues, and I attended, and he answered audience questions afterwords. He's not the orator he once was, but he did say that she told him that they're taught by their group homes to never ever do anything or go anywhere ever without their phone since it's their lifeline. He said that few people understand how important a phone is to a foster kid living in a group home. He also said that she's very sad and isn't defiant now, but that she is frightened that she's all alone in the world with no one to turn to for guidance.

I disagree with those who don't see this as brutality, but I'm going to drop the discussion, not because I agree or am cowed. Rather, I'm sick of thinking about this and how these discussions make me feel and I've got too much to do before the Day of the Dead. Mock away.

[cougjunkie]

The heaved girl is a ward of the state living in a group home. Jesse Jackson just gave a speech at my college about voter registration issues, and I attended, and he answered audience questions afterwords. He's not the orator he once was, but he did say that she told him that they're taught by their group homes to never ever do anything or go anywhere ever without their phone since it's their lifeline. He said that few people understand how important a phone is to a foster kid living in a group home. He also said that she's very sad and isn't defiant now, but that she is frightened that she's all alone in the world with no one to turn to for guidance.

I disagree with those who don't see this as brutality, but I'm going to drop the discussion, not because I agree or am cowed. Rather, I'm sick of thinking about this and how these discussions make me feel and I've got too much to do before the Day of the Dead. Mock away.

So much for your theory about calling her parents.