The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Mormon Red Death]

Stop, hammertime.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1260448


Texas is outplaying a&m on and of the field.

If A&M to the SEC wasn't pressured by the legislature why is Texas to the PAC-12? aTm is leaving to make more money. Texas would be doing the same. What does it mean to the legislature (besides fan prejudices)?

[All-American]

If A&M to the SEC wasn't pressured by the legislature why is Texas to the PAC-12? aTm is leaving to make more money. Texas would be doing the same. What does it mean to the legislature (besides fan prejudices)?

Because A&M to the SEC leaves Texas, Texas Tech and Baylor in the Big XII. Texas leaving for the PAC could kill the Big XII.

[Babs]

Because A&M to the SEC leaves Texas, Texas Tech and Baylor in the Big XII. Texas leaving for the PAC could kill the Big XII.

That begs his question.

[Uncle Ted]

Stop, hammertime.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1260448


Texas is outplaying a&m on and of the field.

Also, I thought this was interesting...

A source in the Big 12 says there is also an increasing likelihood of litigation against the Southeastern Conference as well as the Pac-12 if the Big 12 comes apart.

I think those sharks that are circling are from Baylor.

[All-American]

That begs his question.

While I applaud your grammatically correct use of the term "beg the question" (take notes, everyone), I disagree. A&M's departure leaves Texas, Texas Tech, and Baylor in stable situations. They might have been a little worse off, but the move was probably Kaldor-Hicks efficient. Texas' departure screws Baylor over royally, and unless Tech goes along with them, them too. Texas may be better off, but the pain felt in the other institutions would be significant.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Also, I thought this was interesting...



I think those sharks that are circling are from Baylor.

I bet the Arizona schools, Utah and Colorado just can't wait to vote the ok and tx teams onto the Pac and divide themselves from the Ca schools and get a nice helping of litigation in the process.

The Pac 16 ain't happening folks, at least not any time soon.

[Babs]

While I applaud your grammatically correct use of the term "beg the question" (take notes, everyone), I disagree. A&M's departure leaves Texas, Texas Tech, and Baylor in stable situations. They might have been a little worse off, but the move was probably Kaldor-Hicks efficient. Texas' departure screws Baylor over royally, and unless Tech goes along with them, them too. Texas may be better off, but the pain felt in the other institutions would be significant.

While I applaud your appreciation for grade-school grammar, you've yet to answer MRD's question. He asked why the state legislature should care if both Texas and A&M leave for greener pastures. As he implies, nobody in the current state government cares about Baylor or Tech, so it's not that.

I think they like the state of Texas being the dominant power behind a conference. They're seeing that slip away, and they don't like it. They don't want Texas to become a mere satellite around another conference's gravitational force.

[All-American]

While I applaud your appreciation for grade-school grammar, you've yet to answer MRD's question. He asked why the state legislature should care if both Texas and A&M leave for greener pastures. As he implies, nobody in the current state government cares about Baylor or Tech, so it's not that.

I think they like the state of Texas being the dominant power behind a conference. They're seeing that slip away, and they don't like it. They don't want Texas to become a mere satellite around another conference's gravitational force.

Depends on whether the bolded portion is true, I guess.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

While I applaud your appreciation for grade-school grammar, you've yet to answer MRD's question. He asked why the state legislature should care if both Texas and A&M leave for greener pastures. As he implies, nobody in the current state government cares about Baylor or Tech, so it's not that.

I think they like the state of Texas being the dominant power behind a conference. They're seeing that slip away, and they don't like it. They don't want Texas to become a mere satellite around another conference's gravitational force.

If the Big 12 sticks around, Texas still has four BCS teams, well unless you consider the Big East a real BCS conference. If Texas goes to the Pac, there's a chance TX only ends up with two BCS teams.

[SeattleUte]

You are actually incorrect. Val Hale was on 1320 the other day and said when he was AD the Pac-10 ADs unanimously approved BYU as the 11th member. It then went to the presidents and it was 9-1. The vote had to be unanimous and he said one of the more liberal schools shot them down. He did not mention specifically who it was. But he did hint that it might have been Stanford.

BYU has been very much on the PACs radar for a long time. He also said they had talks with the Big East, Big 12 and Big 10 regularly.

I don't believe this. I think it is lore. Do you have a source other than Val Hale.

[Surfah]

I don't believe this. I think it is lore. Do you have a source other than Val Hale.

Other than the AD? LOL.

[SeattleUte]

Other than the AD? LOL.

Lol How about the Stanford or the USC AD?

I can't think of a person more lacking in credibility on this subject than a BYU administrator.

[Mormon Red Death]

I don't believe this. I think it is lore. Do you have a source other than Val Hale.

here is the basis behind the story

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...c-10.html?pg=2

[LA Ute]

here is the basis behind the story

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...c-10.html?pg=2

That seems like a much more trustworthy version.

[CJF]

I don't believe this. I think it is lore. Do you have a source other than Val Hale.

Jim Livengood, BYU grad and then the AD at Arizona, told me the same thing in about 2003. The only difference was he said it was two presidents. Stanford and Cal. I think I posted it, maybe on TBS, but I don't have access any more.