The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[statman]

Viking, my last conversation related to BYU and the Pac was very straight forward. It indicated that BYU would not go to the Pac if asked. If BYU is willing to accept it, there must be a structure that keeps them from the Bay Area schools. The BYU BOT either massively changed their position or they are basically making two conferences, one in the east and one is the west and calling all of them the PAC.

That's how 'Super Conferences' work. At best, you're only loosely tied to teams in the other division, playing them only every three or four years. It's really more an alliance of two 8-team conferences where the two champions face each other for a play-in for a BCS bowl game, and where teams play a couple inter-divisional games a year.

[EuropeanFootballMale]

If the Big12 dies who knows what's going to happen. The pessimist in me is pretty sure BYU is going to get screwed in the end.

[Gaffords]

one thing about all of this, it has given us fans plenty to talk about for the past year leading up to kickoff! Not a dull moment the whole off season...lol

[statman]

The real questions that need answered are these, IMO:

Why would the Texas politicians let UT get away with ditching Tech?

Even if BYU somehow had the votes, and even if Texas wanted BYU to come with them, the politicians would force TTU in at the end of the day.

If Texas politicians didn't stop A&M from leaving, they won't even consider questioning what UT wants to do. TT doesn't even warrant an afterthought.

UT is king. A&M is queen. TT is the bastard child no one wants to talk about...

[BlueHair]

If the Big12 dies who knows what's going to happen. The pessimist in me is pretty sure BYU is going to get screwed in the end.

This isn't allowed at BYU.

[SeattleUte]

That's how 'Super Conferences' work. At best, you're only loosely tied to teams in the other division, playing them only every three or four years. It's really more an alliance of two 8-team conferences where the two champions face each other for a play-in for a BCS bowl game, and where teams play a couple inter-divisional games a year.

You are speaking in the present tense but there are no super conferences.

[Mormon Red Death]

both Arizona Schools, Utah and Colorado need games in Southern California. That wont happen if they are regulated to a PAC-16 East, there are 4 no votes for expansion, I'm guessing.

This is a lie! Donuthole knows the real reason is that they are all scared of texas and oklahoma. Any thoughts on the contrary are just lies and you know it.

[Mormon Red Death]

personally I don't want super 16 pac because road games to stillwater, norman and lubbock are something I would never do. Whereas, Socal, NOCAl and Seattle are places I have plans (to see Utah play).

However, if it turned out that the Pac-16 came to fruition. I would prefer a pod system of four teams. one where you played every team in your pod and two from every other pod each year. Under that situation that would be great. Additionally the conference in every sport would be top notch.

as far as the money it would be an extra 100 million a year for Larry to get. Not saying he couldn't do it especially with the texas but it would require some work.

[Viking]

Good Lord. I see fear and desperation has really set in if you're hoping for a PAC invitation. It's impossible. Jeez. Why do suppose the PAC has never shown the slightest interest in BYU? BYU might as well try for 16th Sec team.

If anyone with BYU has said BYU would turn down the PAC it's an easy thing to say because that proposition would never be tested.

Look, yes, there a lot of PAC schools that consider BYU's being a branch of the LDS church unacceptable, not just Cal and Stanford. But if BYU were so desirable that it would cause a Mutiny by some PAC 16 schools in its favor why hasn't it been considered a solution to the Big 12's problems? In other words, why are Texas and Oklahoma talking to the Pac 12 with BYU available to fill the hole that Tamu left? Why wasn't Byu offered last year?

Last year Viking was guaranteeing a Big 12 invitation any time. He was full of crap then too.

Yes, dear SU, I was wrong last year about BYU. I was dead right about the U to the Pac10, however, and was correct that the OU/UT move was nothing more than a bluff with the Big12. This year, it's far more substantive.

SU, it's a lot of bluster coming from a guy who's one of the keenest beneficiaries of the lucky sperm club I know. The rest of us had to make it on our own.

[Guest]

That's how 'Super Conferences' work. At best, you're only loosely tied to teams in the other division, playing them only every three or four years. It's really more an alliance of two 8-team conferences where the two champions face each other for a play-in for a BCS bowl game, and where teams play a couple inter-divisional games a year.

This is exactly why I think it is a tough sell.

No one wants to separate themselves from the SoCal schools. Do people think that the Colorado and the AZ schools want to play UT and OU more than USC and UCLA? Wouldn't that be three no votes (requiring a unanimous vote from the other 9 which seems a little improbable given the dislike among some of the institutions)?

It would also be interesting to see how they work through the LHN network. Not impossible, just very hard to see the creative solution that would be required.

I have been on record many times that if BYU gets accepted into the PAC, I would happily eat crow (although with a 75% versus a unanimous vote requirement, that changes everything). I still stand by that.

[All-American]

Yes, dear SU, I was wrong last year about BYU. I was dead right about the U to the Pac10, however, and was correct that the OU/UT move was nothing more than a bluff with the Big12. This year, it's far more substantive.

SU, it's a lot of bluster coming from a guy who's one of the keenest beneficiaries of the lucky sperm club I know. The rest of us had to make it on our own.

Ooh, now, let's not make this personal.

[LA Ute]

Ooh, now, let's not make this personal.

Or wildly off-target.

[Viking]

You are speaking in the present tense but there are no super conferences.

Look, SU. Let's wager on this. You use what your brother has earned you, I'll use what I've earned for my family.

Something meaningful. Big.

Don't worry, your brother will make it back for you.

[Viking]

Hey Viking, pass me some of that weed you are smoking. I know it's wrong, but I like the smell.

I am sure you can get a hook up in Austin, though I won't be partaking.

Any rumors of OU/UT that include TTU should be known to be balderdash. You, of all here, should know that.

[Guest]

Article in St Louis Dispatch this morning predicting the end of the B12...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colum...d481cba4f.html