The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[BlueK]

There's a fallacy in there somewhere I can't quite put my finger on...

BTW, link a paper you've published!

He's the one who suggested doing a study. All I was doing was suggesting adding an element to it to help the results to be viewed in context but obviously he has no interest in anything other than making BYU look as bad as possible against his standard of perfect behavior that only BYU apparently can't meet.

[ByronMarchant]

Gender equality = political correctness gone awry

Racial equality = political correctness gone awry

Equal rights for LGBT = political correctness gone awry

Same bad argument applied in all eras of progress. All I can say is that if these things are all political correctness gone awry, then we need more of it.

Many BYU fans are posting things about how people opposed to BYU's discrimination are "bigots" and that the brethren shouldn't compromise their "standards" and "values." Others imply that the honor code is somehow treating gays and straights equally, which is laughable.

I want BYU to be in the Big 12 as much as the next BYU fan, but the fan base itself has shown its true colors over the last few days.

The comparison to the Klan is hyperbole. But the point stands. Mormons have a racist past. Mormons have a homophobic present. Having racist and homophobic policies is legal, but that doesn't mean others shouldn't have condemned you for it.

[ByronMarchant]

He's the one who suggested doing a study. All I was doing was suggesting adding an element to it to help the results to be viewed in context but obviously he has no interest in anything other than making BYU look as bad as possible against his standard of perfect behavior that only BYU apparently can't meet.

When Russia does terrible things, their government typically respond by saying: "But we aren't the only ones who do terrible things so you can't criticize us!"

That said, name ONE other P5 school that expels professors and students for being gay married.

[cougjunkie]

When Russia does terrible things, their government typically respond by saying: "But we aren't the only ones who do terrible things so you can't criticize us!"

That said, name ONE other P5 school that expels professors and students for being gay married.

Baylor? Who told Brittney Griner to keep her lesbianism a secret.

The United States has a racist and homophobic past, do you condemn them and have you given up your citizenship?

[Goatnapper'96]

Baylor? Who told Brittney Griner to keep her lesbianism a secret.

The United States has a racist and homophobic past, do you condemn them and have you given up your citizenship?

Baylor will not hire mormon professors either.

[Moliere]

. I want BYU to be in the Big 12 as much as the next BYU fan.

I don't believe this to be true.


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[YOhio]

Many BYU fans are posting things about how people opposed to BYU's discrimination are "bigots" and that the brethren shouldn't compromise their "standards" and "values." Others imply that the honor code is somehow treating gays and straights equally, which is laughable.
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Ha. No question the HC is anti-gay. It's also anti-promiscuity, pre-marital sex, porn, JO'ing, pegging, soaking, NCMO'ing, and face cards. So when someone says that gays and straights are treated equally, I don't think they're being disingenuous but they're not providing full context. That is, the Law of Chastity as enforced by the BYU Honor Code Office and the LDS church allows straights a lot of leeway on the base paths. Get to first? Great. Steal second? Tsk, tsk. Get to third? Skip sac for a few months. Reach home and you're out for a year or so. But if a gay dude gets walked the next Sunday he's feeling Godly sorrow outside the bishops office with his head in his hands.

But there's a larger point that's interesting to me. So it's establish that every university in the country discriminates. They discriminate based on intelligence, academic performance, religion, race, geography, and culture. Universities have entire departments established to differentiate who they want to accept. Discrimination, even that based on immutable traits, is acceptable in a university context because it helps establish the learning environment and reputation the university wants to promote. So it's not a line of whether BYU or another University can draw a line. They all draw a line. But rather it's where the line is drawn and the intent behind it. BYU really needs to figure out how to either move the line or blur the line. A great place to start would be by removing the cruelty of a University bureaucracy and make this all about a basic EE or declaration of faith.

[YOhio]

Baylor will not hire mormon professors either.

LOL! They just didn't want to hire Wuap and the Mormon thing was a convenient excuse.

[Commando]

I want BYU to be in the Big 12 as much as the next BYU fan, but the fan base itself has shown its true colors over the last few days.

I know, right?! You clearly have BYU's best at heart.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Ha. No question the HC is anti-gay. It's also anti-promiscuity, pre-marital sex, porn, JO'ing, pegging, soaking, NCMO'ing, and face cards. So when someone says that gays and straights are treated equally, I don't think they're being disingenuous but they're not providing full context. That is, the Law of Chastity as enforced by the BYU Honor Code Office and the LDS church allows straights a lot of leeway on the base paths. Get to first? Great. Steal second? Tsk, tsk. Get to third? Skip sac for a few months. Reach home and you're out for a year or so. But if a gay dude gets walked the next Sunday he's feeling Godly sorrow outside the bishops office with his head in his hands.

But there's a larger point that's interesting to me. So it's establish that every university in the country discriminates. They discriminate based on intelligence, academic performance, religion, race, geography, and culture. Universities have entire departments established to differentiate who they want to accept. Discrimination, even that based on immutable traits, is acceptable in a university context because it helps establish the learning environment and reputation the university wants to promote. So it's not a line of whether BYU or another University can draw a line. They all draw a line. But rather it's where the line is drawn and the intent behind it. BYU really needs to figure out how to either move the line or blur the line. A great place to start would be by removing the cruelty of a University bureaucracy and make this all about a basic EE or declaration of faith.

Is pegging first or second base?

[DrumNFeather]

Ha. No question the HC is anti-gay. It's also anti-promiscuity, pre-marital sex, porn, JO'ing, pegging, soaking, NCMO'ing, and face cards. So when someone says that gays and straights are treated equally, I don't think they're being disingenuous but they're not providing full context. That is, the Law of Chastity as enforced by the BYU Honor Code Office and the LDS church allows straights a lot of leeway on the base paths. Get to first? Great. Steal second? Tsk, tsk. Get to third? Skip sac for a few months. Reach home and you're out for a year or so. But if a gay dude gets walked the next Sunday he's feeling Godly sorrow outside the bishops office with his head in his hands.

But there's a larger point that's interesting to me. So it's establish that every university in the country discriminates. They discriminate based on intelligence, academic performance, religion, race, geography, and culture. Universities have entire departments established to differentiate who they want to accept. Discrimination, even that based on immutable traits, is acceptable in a university context because it helps establish the learning environment and reputation the university wants to promote. So it's not a line of whether BYU or another University can draw a line. They all draw a line. But rather it's where the line is drawn and the intent behind it. BYU really needs to figure out how to either move the line or blur the line. A great place to start would be by removing the cruelty of a University bureaucracy and make this all about a basic EE or declaration of faith.

One-eyed Jacks can't catch a break.

[Moliere]

Is pegging first or second base?

It's more like the dugout.


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[ByronMarchant]

So now being gay is comparable to JO'ing or watching porn or academic performance or face cards??

Can you see how these comparisons marginalize a huge segment of society?

We are talking about a sexual orientation. Not about grades. Not even about a behavior. To that I suppose some would say that all unmarried BYU students must abstain regardless of orientation, except gay married BYU students would get kicked out just for being gay married. And gay students can't even kiss or hold hands when unmarried.

JO'ing doesn't get you kicked out of school or excommunicated or prevent your children from getting baptized unless they renounce your gay marriage.

If people can't see the difference, they are blind.

And the reason the policy hasn't changed is because the majority of the Mormon masses are willfully blind.

This is about how people who are different are treated.

[Maximus]

So now being gay is comparable to JO'ing or watching porn or academic performance or face cards??

Can you see how these comparisons marginalize a huge segment of society?

We are talking about a sexual orientation. Not about grades. Not even about a behavior. To that I suppose some would say that all unmarried BYU students must abstain regardless of orientation, except gay married BYU students would get kicked out just for being gay married. And gay students can't even kiss or hold hands when unmarried.

JO'ing doesn't get you kicked out of school or excommunicated or prevent your children from getting baptized unless they renounce your gay marriage.

If people can't see the difference, they are blind.

And the reason the policy hasn't changed is because the majority of the Mormon masses are willfully blind.

This is about how people who are different are treated.

actually we arent talking about sexual orientation.

[myboynoah]

Ha, I win!