The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[ByronMarchant]

What happens if two men hold hands and kiss at Lavell Edwards Stadium? Any idea? Nothing? How do fans respond? Any volunteers to test this?

How many gay kisses until the Orange Shirts escort the gay couple out of the stadium?

[Uncle Ted]

I've felt unsafe at events at BYU and I'm straight. Imagine how it is for LGBTers. Provo is a scary, scary place.

Yeah, stay the hell out or we may beat your *ss at what ever sport you show up to play.

[BlueK]

What happens if two men hold hands and kiss at Lavell Edwards Stadium? Any idea? Nothing? How do fans respond? Any volunteers to test this?

How many gay kisses until the Orange Shirts escort the gay couple out of the stadium?

I think you would be offended to find out very little to nothing would happen.

[Bo Diddley]

What happens if two men hold hands and kiss at Lavell Edwards Stadium? Any idea? Nothing? How do fans respond? Any volunteers to test this?

How many gay kisses until the Orange Shirts escort the gay couple out of the stadium?

I seriously doubt it would move the needle. Now if they're sitting there making out, I would have a problem with it, just like I would with a heterosexual couple doing the same.

[ByronMarchant]

I think you would be offended to find out very little to nothing would happen.

Do we have any gay CougarStadium members who would be wiling to test this?

[BlueK]

Do we have any gay CougarStadium members who would be wiling to test this?

How about you? Even if you're not gay I'm sure you wouldn't mind volunteering with a friend for the purpose of legitimate social research.

[ByronMarchant]

How about you? Even if you're not gay I'm sure you wouldn't mind volunteering with a friend for the purpose of legitimate social research.

The hypothesis is that gay kisses in Lavell Edwards Stadium will be treated differently than straight kisses, either by fans or by the orange shirts (or both).

I would say we need one gay and one straight couple in three or four parts of the stadium. Would then count number of complaints and time to intervention by the Orange Shirts.

[Uncle Ted]

What happens if two men hold hands and kiss at Lavell Edwards Stadium? Any idea? Nothing? How do fans respond? Any volunteers to test this?

How many gay kisses until the Orange Shirts escort the gay couple out of the stadium?

So, how are gay athletes, coaches and fans treated when their teams play at BYU?
[...]
Carina Brunner, 28, Vancouver, Washington, wasn't out as androgynous and bisexual but wore men's clothes when she attended about 20 BYU baseball, basketball and softball games during the four years she lived in the Provo area and attended Utah Valley University.


"My experiences were fine," she said. "I didn't get discriminated against or anything crazy like that. Based on my experience, LGBT people might get looks at a BYU game, but the main focus is sports. I think the worst thing would be some stares."


During the 2014-15 college basketball season, an openly gay player at the University of Massachusetts, Derrick Gordon, played a game with UMass at BYU without public incident.

http://beta.deseretnews.com/article/...ay-at-BYU.html

[BlueK]

The hypothesis is that gay kisses in Lavell Edwards Stadium will be treated differently than straight kisses, either by fans or by the orange shirts (or both).

I would say we need one gay and one straight couple in three or four parts of the stadium. Would then count number of complaints and time to intervention by the Orange Shirts.

You would also need a control group and do the same things at several other schools. Try a couple in the south at current P5 schools. I bet the reaction would be far worse at some of them than at BYU.

[ByronMarchant]

You would also need a control group and do the same things at several other schools. Try a couple in the south at current P5 schools. I bet the reaction would be far worse at some of them than at BYU.

Show me a peer-reviewed paper you've published where you identified and executed proper controls in an experiment, then you can tell me about proper controls.

If the question is a comparison among BYU and other universities, then yes. If the question is how BYU would treat gays versus straight, then no.

Difference is that major universities in the south have openly gay students and professors who are even gay married, etc.

There are gay married people all over my university. It's not a big deal. Just people being themselves. The Church needs to get over it and move on.

[BlueK]

Alcohol and coffee are different.

But to think that they can discriminate against gays without consequences is absurd.

Consequences are negotiable, which is exactly what BYU is doing with the Big 12 right now. For example, one consequence of having an honor code is going through these hoops to get into a P5 league for which athletically we are so much more qualified to be members of compared to the other candidates that it is absurd. But we accept that reality. At least the school does. I can't really answer for every wacko on cougarboard. But at least our AD and president understand that's how it works with having certain religious beliefs and are trying to move forward cordially and respectfully to deal with it with those we are negotiating with and to see if it isn't something we can work through.

But one problem with this is that some people are scared that the B12 and ESPN/Fox aren't going to apply a sufficiently severe consequence on BYU for being who they are.

[Uncle Ted]

You would also need a control group and do the same things at several other schools. Try a couple in the south at current P5 schools. I bet the reaction would be far worse at some of them than at BYU.

Or Wyoming... Those dudes are crazy. If I was gay there would be no way I would let my shadow darken that place. (Too soon? http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=1)

[ByronMarchant]

Consequences are negotiable, which is exactly what BYU is doing with the Big 12 right now. One problem with this is that some people are scared that the B12 and ESPN/Fox aren't going to apply a sufficiently severe consequence on BYU for being who they are.

Are you even entertaining the possibility that BYU needs to change?

BYU isn't just being who BYU is. BYU is discriminating.

40 years ago when BYU and the church discriminated against blacks, were Mormons just "being who they are?"

[BlueK]

Show me a peer-reviewed paper you've published where you identified and executed proper controls in an experiment, then you can tell me about proper controls.

If the question is a comparison among BYU and other universities, then yes. If the question is how BYU would treat gays versus straight, then no.

Difference is that major universities in the south have openly gay students and professors who are even gay married, etc.

There are gay married people all over my university. It's not a big deal. Just people being themselves. The Church needs to get over it and move on.

You're going all over the place on this one. Are you talking about the fan culture at BYU and safety? You want to judge in a vacuum and condemn for any lack of perfection in the school you're judging without context. You asked how a gay couple would be treated in a game at BYU and several of us don't think it would be a big deal. You just don't want to accept that because it doesn't conform to your prejudices.

[BlueK]

Are you even entertaining the possibility that BYU needs to change?

BYU isn't just being who BYU is. BYU is discriminating.

40 years ago when BYU and the church discriminated against blacks, were Mormons just "being who they are?"

Yes, but that's not what we were talking about.