President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[BlueK]

More or less, although they're eagerness to overstate and draw conclusions is evident.

I haven't read Mueller's report, and I'm not a lawyer, but some of the quotes from it are very damning. If they're accurate and in context, and they appear to be, I think Trump should be impeached.

wait til they get to the Russian part.

[SeattleUte]

I’m not a criminal lawyer, but if it’s a crime to tell someone to lie about something that wasn’t a crime and then they don’t do what you tell them to do (on top of what you told them to lie about not being a crime), the law is an ass as they say. Is this really the kind of world we want to live in? What if he knew they wouldn’t do what he said? Even if technically a crime, it should not be prosecuted. Proctors exercise discretion all the time not to prosecute the vast majority of crimes that are committed. If we are honest with ourselves, we should recognize the following, whatever our political affiliation. First, this Mueller thing was all about politics. Second, to the extent not all about politics, it’s about Mueller ‘s ego. He wasn’t going to burn $25 million and then not give the democrats even a morsel of possible ground for impeachment to chew on. He’s a famous lawyer and a politician. He wants to be liked and he cares about his legacy. One thing not enough remarked upon is his phony noble lawyer shtick. Nobody gets to where he is without massive ego and ambition.

[frank ryan]

I’m not a criminal lawyer, but if it’s a crime to tell someone to lie about something that wasn’t a crime and then they don’t do what you tell them to do (on top of what you told them to lie about not being a crime), the law is an ass as they say. Is this really the kind of world we want to live in? What if he knew they wouldn’t do what he said? Even if technically a crime, it should not be prosecuted. Proctors exercise discretion all the time not to prosecute the vast majority of crimes that are committed. If we are honest with ourselves, we should recognize the following, whatever our political affiliation. First, this Mueller thing was all about politics. Second, to the extent not all about politics, it’s about Mueller ‘s ego. He wasn’t going to burn $25 million and then not give the democrats even a morsel of possible ground for impeachment to chew on. He’s a famous lawyer and a politician. He wants to be liked and he cares about his legacy. One thing not enough remarked upon is his phony noble lawyer shtick. Nobody gets to where he is without massive ego and ambition.

Weird take. You've evolved in odd direction with this right-wing apologia stuff. I know you say you're not a Trump guy, you do a good job cosplaying as one here, albiet with an occasional unimpassioned concern about tact. The President is dishonest, beyond the usual political far, and with serious implications. He's a thoroughly corrupt person.

But you find ample reason to critique Mueller? You're also unaware of or ignoring the restraints and limitations placed on him to DOJ. But you previously expressed outrage and buy-in concerning the GOP's flimsry conspiracy theory that the Feds, and others formed a cabal to team up against Trump and manufacture a case (not a good enough one apparently) against him.

Calling Mueller a famous politician or lawyer is inaccurate. Mueller is famous for his work as law enforcement official. The average person who's heard of him likely isn't even aware he has a law degree.

I miss the old SU, who was more Buckley or George Will and less Michael Savage or Sean Hannity. Maybe you've been infected with TDS.

[BigFatMeanie]

Weird take. You've evolved in odd direction with this right-wing apologia stuff. I know you say you're not a Trump guy, you do a good job cosplaying as one here, albiet with an occasional unimpassioned concern about tact. The President is dishonest, beyond the usual political far, and with serious implications. He's a thoroughly corrupt person.

But you find ample reason to critique Mueller? You're also unaware of or ignoring the restraints and limitations placed on him to DOJ. But you previously expressed outrage and buy-in concerning the GOP's flimsry conspiracy theory that the Feds, and others formed a cabal to team up against Trump and manufacture a case (not a good enough one apparently) against him.

Calling Mueller a famous politician or lawyer is inaccurate. Mueller is famous for his work as law enforcement official. The average person who's heard of him likely isn't even aware he has a law degree.

I miss the old SU, who was more Buckley or George Will and less Michael Savage or Sean Hannity. Maybe you've been infected with TDS.

Have you ever considered the possibility that SU is the same SU and it's you that has shifted and thus your perception of him has shifted?

[Commando]

Have you ever considered the possibility that SU is the same SU and it's you that has shifted and thus your perception of him has shifted?

I don't think Frank has 'shifted.' It's just that SU has- with no small effort- for YEARS on this site played the part of this Super Skeptic, Ultra Principled Truth Seeker and how he's coming out as just another Cheeto Goblin.

[tooblue]

I’m not a criminal lawyer, but if it’s a crime to tell someone to lie about something that wasn’t a crime and then they don’t do what you tell them to do (on top of what you told them to lie about not being a crime), the law is an ass as they say. Is this really the kind of world we want to live in? What if he knew they wouldn’t do what he said? Even if technically a crime, it should not be prosecuted. Proctors exercise discretion all the time not to prosecute the vast majority of crimes that are committed. If we are honest with ourselves, we should recognize the following, whatever our political affiliation. First, this Mueller thing was all about politics. Second, to the extent not all about politics, it’s about Mueller ‘s ego. He wasn’t going to burn $25 million and then not give the democrats even a morsel of possible ground for impeachment to chew on. He’s a famous lawyer and a politician. He wants to be liked and he cares about his legacy. One thing not enough remarked upon is his phony noble lawyer shtick. Nobody gets to where he is without massive ego and ambition.

You’ve lost your moral centre. Your post demonstrates you no longer can discern between right and wrong. The President of the United States made an attempt to obstruct an investigation. You’ll note, I did not state Donald Trump made an attempt, but rather the President of the United States. One’s like or dislike of Donald Trump is irrelevant. As President of the United States he committed crimes for which any other individual in the US would be prosecuted. That is not in question.

[wapiti]

Impeaching a president for a dubious process crime supposedly committed during an investigation into a nothing-burger isn't going to fly. This whole thing is political and a complete waste of time.

[Commando]

Impeaching a president for a dubious process crime supposedly committed during an investigation into a nothing-burger isn't going to fly. This whole thing is political and a complete waste of time.

-- Bill Clinton

[BlueK]

You’ve lost your moral centre. Your post demonstrates you no longer can discern between right and wrong. The President of the United States made an attempt to obstruct an investigation. You’ll note, I did not state Donald Trump made an attempt, but rather the President of the United States. One’s like or dislike of Donald Trump is irrelevant. As President of the United States he committed crimes for which any other individual in the US would be prosecuted. That is not in question.

Nor did any Republican on that committee dispute that the president did do those things in the report.

[wapiti]

Nor did any Republican on that committee dispute that the president did do those things in the report.

The fact that the supposed obstruction never actually obstructed the investigation makes it a dubious charge. Saying that anyone would be prosecuted for that is far-fetched.

[Uncle Ted]

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Not to mention a disaster for the US taxpayer.

[SeattleUte]

I'm just being a civil liberties lawyer. I'm no different than I've ever been. I'm just saying that that I'm very skeptical that what Trump did is a crime or that he'll ever be indicted whether as president or otherwise.

Impeachment is another issue. It doesn't need a crime. That is what Mueller meant. But he should not even have gone there. If it's not his role then why did he say anything? Why all these allusions?

If he truly hated today it's his karma. He should have stayed out of the political issue of impeachment. And clearly he only did it because he had his own political ambitions. Mueller is such a phony.

The House can impeach Trump for all I care. They can do it. They have a majority. But there will never be a conviction. Not even all democratic senators would vote for conviction.

And I do tend to agree with Pelosi that there would be a backlash. So, what political purpose?

I doubt any of you are lawyers who are reacting to my post. I you are, trying thinking like one.

[SeattleUte]

Weird take. You've evolved in odd direction with this right-wing apologia stuff. I know you say you're not a Trump guy, you do a good job cosplaying as one here, albiet with an occasional unimpassioned concern about tact. The President is dishonest, beyond the usual political far, and with serious implications. He's a thoroughly corrupt person.

But you find ample reason to critique Mueller? You're also unaware of or ignoring the restraints and limitations placed on him to DOJ. But you previously expressed outrage and buy-in concerning the GOP's flimsry conspiracy theory that the Feds, and others formed a cabal to team up against Trump and manufacture a case (not a good enough one apparently) against him.

Calling Mueller a famous politician or lawyer is inaccurate. Mueller is famous for his work as law enforcement official. The average person who's heard of him likely isn't even aware he has a law degree.

I miss the old SU, who was more Buckley or George Will and less Michael Savage or Sean Hannity. Maybe you've been infected with TDS.

I'm always contemptuous of the lowest common denominator, whether LDS apologetics or this quixotic Russia thing against Trump.

[Commando]

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[tooblue]

The fact that the supposed obstruction never actually obstructed the investigation makes it a dubious charge. Saying that anyone would be prosecuted for that is far-fetched.

Why are people prosecuted for attempting a crime but not actually committing a crime, every day?