President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[BlueK]

I'm just saying I don't think it applies at all - in any way. He's called so many people from so many backgrounds dumb - how is it connected to race? If the fact that he called some Black people dumb makes him racist against Blacks, then doesn't the fact that he's called a bunch of White people dumb then make him racist against Whites?

I'm not saying he's racist or not racist. I'm saying this is one of the dumb things that places like CNN do all the time - the guy provides them with plenty of real evidence of his faults. Don't add in "evidence" that really isn't evidence because it doesn't tell you anything. Trump calling a Black guy "dumb" isn't evidence of racism - because he called EVERYONE dumb. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian - you name it, they're all dumb.

Unless you're telling me that if I ever say a Black person is dumb then that means I'm a racist.

I reject the theory that if you call someone who is of a different race than your own dumb, that makes you a racist. Likewise - I don't think every person who is Black or Hispanic that has called Trump dumb is a racist either.

yeah, it's like you ignored what I said. it's one piece of the puzzle to all his other words and actions. It doesn't stand alone, I agree. It would be meaningless for a normal person who doesn't have all the other baggage. It's the one thing to talk about and minimize when someone doesn't want to address all his words and actions around race that are troubling.

[wapiti]

The Norway thing is funny to hear his Fox propogandist friends talk about when they say it's because Norway is a nice place. Uh no. Trump doesn't really want more potential Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren voters coming here from a democratic-socialist country. Please. There is only one logical reason why he would say Norway.

https://worldinfigures.com/rankings/topic/9

[Eddie]

Man, you’re missing a lot things he has said and done that point to his racism. I don’t have to make a laundry list for but I’d encourage you to look into his treatment of Central Park 5, civil rights suits he has had as a landlord etc. just to start. His whole birtherism shit with Obama and Muslim ban. Calling non white countries shitholes and complaining we didn’t have enough Norwegian immigrants.

If you are looking for a quote of him affirming he is a racist you won’t find it, but there is plenty of evidence he is. Hell? Having Stephen Miller and Sebastian Gorka on staff also point to that.

Again - you're missing the point. I'm not saying Trump is not racist. I'm saying that I don't find the fact that he called some prominent Black people "dumb" is evidence of Trumps racism. Because he calls EVERYONE dumb. If it was evidence of racism, wouldn't he limit his calling people dumb to Blacks?

Let's look at this through a different lens - just for a moment.

Was it racist for Birmingham, Alabama to require that Blacks ride at the back of the bus? Yes. Unequivocally.

What if Birmingham had instead passed a law that said that everyone the Mayor doesn't like has to ride at the back of the bus? Is it still racist? Let's say that list of people the Mayor doesn't like includes people who are Black and White - is it a racist law? Nope. Why not? Because riding at the back of the bus has nothing to do with race now. And it has everything to do with who the Mayor likes (or doesn't).

Trump calls people dumb because he doesn't like them and disagrees with them. And he does this with various people regardless of their race.

So for the article to say that he's called some prominent Black people "dumb" - and that's evidence of his racism. Well - he's called Nancy Pelosi dumb, is she Black? He's called Mitt Romney dumb, is he Black? He's called Paul Ryan, Joe Scarborough, Hillary Clinton, Karl Rove, Glen Beck, Mike Brzezinski, Lindsay Graham - the list is long...I could go on and on if I really wanted to. There's actually an article out there where someone added it all up and fond that he was more likely to call White people dumb/stupid than Black people. I'm sure that was done to defend him - which I'm honestly not trying to do.

All along I've said that I find it irritating that so often Trump is criticized over the dumb things that are irrelevant or don't really add up as evidence of anything - when he gives so much material that there is no need to do this.

Want to go after him for calling people dumb or stupid? I'm right there with you. It's rude, uncalled for, and makes him look like he's in a playground fight at the local elementary. But tell me it's evidence that he's racist? Eh - not buying it. There's plenty of other evidence of Trump's racism that actually makes sense. This one doesn't.

That's all I'm saying.

[Eddie]

yeah, it's like you ignored what I said...

I know how you feel.

[frank ryan]

The Norway thing is funny to hear his Fox propogandist friends talk about when they say it's just because Norway is a nice place. Uh no. Trump doesn't really want more potential Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren voters coming here from a democratic-socialist country. Please. There is only one logical reason why he would say Norway over the others, and every one of his "very fine people" in the Charlottesville protests knows exactly what he's saying.

The whole I don’t know who David Duke is bs.

[BlueK]

https://worldinfigures.com/rankings/topic/9

LOL. Good one. I guess I find the underlying premise that we should only want immigrants from countries that are really stable and nice, to actually be pretty offensive because it automatically attaches a negative stereotype to individuals who leave an unstable country in search of a chance to improve their lives in a great place like the USA. This is what America has always been about and what has made the country great -- not the "no Irish/Italian need apply" type of attitude we're seeing today mostly from the Trumpist elements of society.

[creekster]

LOL. Good one. I guess I find the underlying premise that we should only want immigrants from countries that are really stable and nice, to actually be pretty offensive because it automatically attaches a negative stereotype to individuals who leave an unstable country in search of a chance to improve their lives in a great place like the USA. This is what America has always been about and what has made the country great -- not the "no Irish/Italian need apply" type of attitude we're seeing today mostly from the Trumpist elements of society.

Unless you advocate open borders, however, there must be SOME criteria used to choose which persons are allowed in. What criteria do you find acceptable?

[Commando]

Unless you advocate open borders, however, there must be SOME criteria used to choose which persons are allowed in. What criteria do you find acceptable?

What about the current criteria contained in the Immigration and Nationality Act do you find unacceptable?

[BlueK]

Unless you advocate open borders, however, there must be SOME criteria used to choose which persons are allowed in. What criteria do you find acceptable?

First of all, ideally, the term "open borders" needs a definition. I think usually it tends to be often used as kind of an insult applied to anyone who believes in something less restrictive than whatever the person throwing out the term believes in. It's part of our tribal state of mind in US politics.

But to try to answer your question, I lean heavily libertarian, so I'm certain the Trump/Stephen Miller faction would say I was for open borders. But that doesn't mean I don't believe the government should know who wants to come in and keep out criminals, terrorists and shady characters. I also don't believe immigrants should be given handouts. I also don't see a problem with having their stay in the US be contingent on maintaining employment and being able to support themselves. The laws of free market economics tends to handle that one anyway, and the research shows historically that when recessions come, immigrants start to go home on their own anyway.

I believe in free markets to regulate inputs into the economy, including the labor market. This is also where I'm also not a modern liberal. I don't like lots of levels of heavy handed government regulation on business. So in this context, if a business in the US wants to hire a foreign national I'm ok with it. They should know what is best for their business. If they don't, they go out of business. Where today's "conservatives" tend to differ from someone like me is that it seems they usually profess to believe in free markets, small government and low levels of government regulation, UNLESS it deals with immigration, in which case they want strict, heavy-handed (we will punish you for hiring an illegal!) government control. So you end up with a black market for for labor, because most of those folks don't have a realistic, viable option for entering legally. I think this mostly reveals that for many conservatives, immigration is not really an economic issue when it comes down to it. It's really more of a social and cultural one.

So there you go. Those are my views in general.

https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/

[UVACoug]

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Hmm... I guess the public likes a racist sh*t hat. (Whatever that is.)

Rasmussen is one of the LEAST accurate pollers.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

[UVACoug]

Lol, this guy is our POTUS, and he is not racist at all.


Trump proposed a 'white vs black contestants' season of 'The Apprentice' in a recently resurfaced recording



https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...rentice-2019-7

Survivor did that around the same time (tribes divided by race on Season 13 Cook Islands) ... also produced by Mark Burnett. Maybe Trump wasn't the origin of the idea.

[BlueK]

Rasmussen is one of the LEAST accurate pollers.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

If I remember right, Rasmussen predicted a Romney victory and Republicans were hanging their hats on it going into election night when all the others correctly predicted Obama would win.

[UVACoug]

This should be much more concerning than Trump's idiotic (and yes racist) tweets:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1153705450346635265

[frank ryan]

This should be much more concerning than Trump's idiotic (and yes racist) tweets:

https://www.twitter.com/atrupar/stat...05450346635265

Agreed, and the jokes about more than two terms aren’t remotely funny. I’ll be curious to see how Mueller’s testimony goes, given that most people, including those in congress haven’t bothered to read it. Journalists haven’t done a great job breaking it down either. Of course we do know enough to be aware that Barr wasn’t on the level with his letter.

[wapiti]

Agreed, and the jokes about more than two terms aren’t remotely funny.

I think they are funny. Especially when a second term is unlikely.