2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Northwestcoug]

Why don't they grind up the aborted babies and make dog food out of it? I mean I have heard the argument that babies before they are born are simply clumps of cells. Those cells have protein, right? Babies have no rights until they are born. Just think of all the dogs they could feed! Don't give me the argument that babies in the womb are more than just clumps of cells and shouldn't be feed to dogs or you will disappoint me as my democrat friend.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Northwestcoug]

I'm not the smartest guy in the world....but why do we beat the drum on abortion? Shouldn't we be pushing safe sex more? 99.9% of pregnancies can be avoided with the use of protection. I understand that rape happens....but lets talk about a majority of the abortions.

I get tired of hearing about "women's reproductive rights" when realistically that could have been handled if you'd have just told the dude if he wanted to get laid he had to use protection. Why is this not a talking point?

Were all your kids planned? I mean there's the best laid (tee hee!) plans and then there's reality. Mrs. NWC had decreed before the foundations of our marriage that we would have four kids. After the third one I was feeling pretty good about the state of our family and was riding low, hoping she'd be content with where we were at*. I don't remember what birth control we were on, but kid #4 came a year before we wanted her to.

We're all very serious and responsible about family planning in less amorous times. But all it takes is for someone to shake their money maker and you start gambling.

*kid number 4 if you're reading this I love you very much and happy you're in our family.

[originalsocal]

I'm not the smartest guy in the world....but why do we beat the drum on abortion? Shouldn't we be pushing safe sex more? 99.9% of pregnancies can be avoided with the use of protection. I understand that rape happens....but lets talk about a majority of the abortions.

I get tired of hearing about "women's reproductive rights" when realistically that could have been handled if you'd have just told the dude if he wanted to get laid he had to use protection. Why is this not a talking point?

Checks out.

[Northwestcoug]

Yee-ikes:

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[YOhio]

I doubt this means much to you Ted, but it is 100% horseshit that that woman didn't die because Roe v Wade got repealed. She sought medical attention because her very early term medically induced abortion (we're all more or less cool with that, right?) outside of Georgia (because of draconian abortion laws) didn't complete. She wasn't able to get back to North Carolina for follow-up, so we went to a Georgia hospital. And since Georgia's politicians felt morally superior to medical professionals they threw together a bullshit law that made procedures done with medical instruments tangentially related to abortion illegal, the doctors delayed the very necessary medical procedure under a cloud of potential criminality until it was too late.

What Walz said about abortion yesterday was the gospel truth. That woman's death very literally happened because Roe v. Wade was repealed. There will be more.

Abortion isn't a sticking point with me. I don't vote for candidates based on the issue and I think it takes up way too much political oxygen. Especially when this super morally complex topic is boiled down to a hyphenated label. That's the thing about the abortion debate that annoys me so much. Both sides act like they have the moral high ground without any acknowledgment of the morality on the other side. I *hate* that this woman didn't get the medical care she needed. Laws like the one in Georgia are horrific and this woman died because of it. It should be changed. But consider how a pro-life person may look at it. They view the life of the unborn child as having the same value as the woman who died. So they feel the anger you and other pro-choice advocates feel about this situation compounded by about a million.

[The_Tick]

Checks out.

Please expound...

[originalsocal]

Please expound...

Well okay.


I don't know you Tick. I've only seen your posts and by the cut of your jib, I'm sure we would get along. I apologize for insinuating that you are "not the smartest guy in the world", but you put it out there and I took the bait. Your point, relative to your argument of contraception being the first talking point in the abortion argument, is....well....stupid, and could very well confirm that you are "not the smartest guy in the world."

Abortion care is more than just aborting a baby out of convenience. It's about actual healthcare. I am sorry if you are tired of it. I really am. I wish that pro-lifers and pro-choicers would use some more critical thinking skills and not think of this as a black and white issue. Abortion as a procedure is not evil, it's performed by medical professionals who are giving care to a patient. Can the procedure be used in way that is evil? Depending on my perspective absolutely! But that is only a small part of what the argument should be.

[USUC]

Well okay.


I don't know you Tick. I've only seen your posts and by the cut of your jib, I'm sure we would get along. I apologize for insinuating that you are "not the smartest guy in the world", but you put it out there and I took the bait. Your point, relative to your argument of contraception being the first talking point in the abortion argument, is....well....stupid, and could very well confirm that you are "not the smartest guy in the world."

Abortion care is more than just aborting a baby out of convenience. It's about actual healthcare. I am sorry if you are tired of it. I really am. I wish that pro-lifers and pro-choicers would use some more critical thinking skills and not think of this as a black and white issue. Abortion as a procedure is not evil, it's performed by medical professionals who are giving care to a patient. Can the procedure be used in way that is evil? Depending on my perspective absolutely! But that is only a small part of what the argument should be.

This conversation isn't helped when the loudest voices are "shout your abortion" on one side and "fetus comes before the life of the mother" on the other.

[Northwestcoug]

Abortion isn't a sticking point with me. I don't vote for candidates based on the issue and I think it takes up way too much political oxygen. Especially when this super morally complex topic is boiled down to a hyphenated label. That's the thing about the abortion debate that annoys me so much. Both sides act like they have the moral high ground without any acknowledgment of the morality on the other side. I *hate* that this woman didn't get the medical care she needed. Laws like the one in Georgia are horrific and this woman died because of it. It should be changed. But consider how a pro-life person may look at it. They view the life of the unborn child as having the same value as the woman who died. So they feel the anger you and other pro-choice advocates feel about this situation compounded by about a million.

I know I'm one of the more strident pro-choice people around here, but rest assured I respect the pro-life position. I believe both the pro-life and pro-choice sides are positions of morality. It's up to everyone to weigh the relative morality of both and try to carve out a position that does the least harm to society.

[falafel]

God apparently isn’t fond of humility:

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I didn't hear anything about God needing a man to play golf 5 times a week and cozying up to authoritarian dictators.

[falafel]

Melania comes out against Trump on abortion, saying she's all-in on abortion rights. Married to the man who ended Roe v. Wade.

[falafel]

Trump in Michigan doing a rally saying that they are "putting 30,000 criminals right in your city" and then says "look what they've done to Springfield."

These are quality, honest people.

[Uncle Ted]

Should have picked Shapiro

Any of the other VP possibilities have significantly more intelligence than Walz...

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Actually Walz is more intelligent than Harris, however:



85 is generous given it has been report she scored 78 in college on an IQ test:

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[Northwestcoug]

Melania comes out against Trump on abortion, saying she's all-in on abortion rights. Married to the man who ended Roe v. Wade.

expect a bunch of disapprovals from all those evangelical leaders who held their noses and supported Trump because he ended Roe v. Wade in.....well, never.

[Maximus]

Any of the other VP possibilities have significantly more intelligence than Walz...

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Actually Walz is more intelligent than Harris, however:



85 is generous given it has been report she scored 78 in college on an IQ test:

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right naturally students talk about their IQs