2024 Presidential Election Thread

[USUC]

The party of fiscal responsibility.

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[Northwestcoug]

The party of fiscal responsibility.

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LOL.

I've said before that since both parties are marching towards fiscal ruin, might as well vote for the one that at least makes a pretense of helping out more needy people. If Trump is doubling the amount added to the debt he must be planning on helping more people than Harris!

[The_Tick]

Ted, this is a dumb talking point. Have you ever been around someone with an 85 IQ? They aren't able to do much. People underestimate just how low functioning that is. IQ smack is dumb and there are many factors that make up IQ. Harris is smart. Most likely 120 or above. She has terrible politics though and hasn't done the homework to handle stuff like this that is expected to happen. She's just not a serious person.

You are wrong on both of these. As someone who does cognitive testing on people on a daily basis:

1. People from 80-85 are just fine. You'd be surprised how many of those folks are out there. They work with you, they go to church with you, they share a home with you. IQ's in the range of 70-85 are 13.59% of our population.
2. People with an IQ of 120 or higher are rare. You are talking ~8.2%.

Do I believe that her IQ is <85? No. Do I believe she is >120? No. To be in the Top 8%, she wouldn't have the gaffes that she does.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You are wrong on both of these. As someone who does cognitive testing on people on a daily basis:

1. People from 80-85 are just fine. You'd be surprised how many of those folks are out there. They work with you, they go to church with you, they share a home with you. IQ's in the range of 70-85 are 13.59% of our population.
2. People with an IQ of 120 or higher are rare. You are talking ~8.2%.

Do I believe that her IQ is <85? No. Do I believe she is >120? No. To be in the Top 8%, she wouldn't have the gaffes that she does.

OK, but if one is dumb enough to believe she has an IQ of 85, you would have to have an IQ <85.

[Bo Diddley]

OK, but if one is dumb enough to believe she has an IQ of 85, you would have to have an IQ <85.

As I've considered my own IQ, I have no doubt it's in a steady slow decline. Perhaps just ahead of the normal cognitive decline for my age.

[beefytee]

You are wrong on both of these. As someone who does cognitive testing on people on a daily basis:

1. People from 80-85 are just fine. You'd be surprised how many of those folks are out there. They work with you, they go to church with you, they share a home with you. IQ's in the range of 70-85 are 13.59% of our population.
2. People with an IQ of 120 or higher are rare. You are talking ~8.2%.

Do I believe that her IQ is <85? No. Do I believe she is >120? No. To be in the Top 8%, she wouldn't have the gaffes that she does.

I'm not familiar enough with the IQ test, is there a spoken or communication focused portion of the exam?

Just offhand I would not equate high IQ with good communications skills. Simply put, taking written tests does not correspond to social/communication proficiency.

I would love some insight here.

[The_Tick]

I'm not familiar enough with the IQ test, is there a spoken or communication focused portion of the exam?

Just offhand I would not equate high IQ with good communications skills. Simply put, taking written tests does not correspond to social/communication proficiency.

I would love some insight here.

Processing speed is a huge portion of the standard cognitive test. How quickly you are able to take information in, process, and spit out the appropriate response. She gets flustered easily and doesn't take time to process. People often think of someone that doesn't answer right away as someone that is less intelligent than those that speak quickly. Some people take a moment and then proceed.

I would venture to guess that she is in the average range, as are a majority of the population. The standard bell curve wanted you to believe that 100 is average, which is only partially correct. Most cognitive exams rate average as 90-100.

I could geek out about this stuff. I enjoy it quite a bit.

[YOhio]

[Copelius]

You are wrong on both of these. As someone who does cognitive testing on people on a daily basis:

1. People from 80-85 are just fine. You'd be surprised how many of those folks are out there. They work with you, they go to church with you, they share a home with you, they drive all around you. IQ's in the range of 70-85 are 13.59% of our population.
2. People with an IQ of 120 or higher are rare. You are talking ~8.2%.

Do I believe that her IQ is <85? No. Do I believe she is >120? No. To be in the Top 8%, she wouldn't have the gaffes that she does.

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[USUC]

Processing speed is a huge portion of the standard cognitive test. How quickly you are able to take information in, process, and spit out the appropriate response. She gets flustered easily and doesn't take time to process. People often think of someone that doesn't answer right away as someone that is less intelligent than those that speak quickly. Some people take a moment and then proceed.

I would venture to guess that she is in the average range, as are a majority of the population. The standard bell curve wanted you to believe that 100 is average, which is only partially correct. Most cognitive exams rate average as 90-100.

I could geek out about this stuff. I enjoy it quite a bit.

My understanding is that there is variability in how each indeces in a particular test result in the final score. I only have experience with the WAIS, but I know, while rare, processing speed could be average or slightly below average and high scores on other indeces could still result in a well above average IQ. She may not be 120, but I have a hard time believing she could have gone as far as she has with average IQ.

[BigPiney]

You are wrong on both of these. As someone who does cognitive testing on people on a daily basis:

1. People from 80-85 are just fine. You'd be surprised how many of those folks are out there. They work with you, they go to church with you, they share a home with you. IQ's in the range of 70-85 are 13.59% of our population.
2. People with an IQ of 120 or higher are rare. You are talking ~8.2%.

Do I believe that her IQ is <85? No. Do I believe she is >120? No. To be in the Top 8%, she wouldn't have the gaffes that she does.

[frank ryan]

Processing speed is a huge portion of the standard cognitive test. How quickly you are able to take information in, process, and spit out the appropriate response. She gets flustered easily and doesn't take time to process. People often think of someone that doesn't answer right away as someone that is less intelligent than those that speak quickly. Some people take a moment and then proceed.

I would venture to guess that she is in the average range, as are a majority of the population. The standard bell curve wanted you to believe that 100 is average, which is only partially correct. Most cognitive exams rate average as 90-100.

I could geek out about this stuff. I enjoy it quite a bit.

I'm guessing you are trained to administer these tests. That stuff has me intrigued

[Topper]

Processing speed is a huge portion of the standard cognitive test. How quickly you are able to take information in, process, and spit out the appropriate response. She gets flustered easily and doesn't take time to process. People often think of someone that doesn't answer right away as someone that is less intelligent than those that speak quickly. Some people take a moment and then proceed.

I would venture to guess that she is in the average range, as are a majority of the population. The standard bell curve wanted you to believe that 100 is average, which is only partially correct. Most cognitive exams rate average as 90-100.

I could geek out about this stuff. I enjoy it quite a bit.

Does that mean people as they age have a reduced IQ, because their processing speeds are sometimes slower?

Does a person's IQ peak at a certain age?

[The_Tick]

My understanding is that there is variability in how each indices in a particular test result in the final score. I only have experience with the WAIS, but I know, while rare, processing speed could be average or slightly below average and high scores on other indices could still result in a well above average IQ. She may not be 120, but I have a hard time believing she could have gone as far as she has with average IQ.

Each indices or subtest is weighted differently. But the all carry a weight. To be >120, and be on the lower end of the processing speed, the other subtests would have to be off the chart. I gave the WISC frequently. I prefer the CAS-2 as it doesn't require any crystallized intelligence to be able to perform well on. This is good especially with folks that may have a primary language other than English.

[The_Tick]

I'm guessing you are trained to administer these tests. That stuff has me intrigued

Yep. Part of my grad school education. It is what I do day in and day out now.

I can administer levels A through C.