The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Mormon Red Death]

That link doesn't say that.

Triplet Daddy: The P10 doesn't need to add non-geographic rivals. And it won't, which is why you will not see any of these contrived expansion theories coming to fruition.

[TripletDaddy]

That doesn't day that PAC 10 will never expand. What does the rest of the post say?

[Green Monstah]

If you are big 12 team Memphis, Louisville and Cincinatti are all closer than provo, have better basketball programs and football programs (sans memphis) are better as well. Not to mention the markets.

:bsflag:

Memphis, Cincy & Louisville > BYU in Basketball

BYU> Memphis, Cincy & Louisville in Football

[NorthwestUteFan]

You can argue DMA sizes and penetration all you want, but the truth is somewhat blurred.

The most concrete number we have to look at in terms of what type of draw BYU football has is the deal that they were able to land with ESPN for going independent with football. Would Memphis/Cincy/Louisville be able to draw something similar? I doubt it.

Undoubtedly, very few schools could get a deal like byu. I am very proud of Dr. Samuelson for envisioning the plan and driving such an effort to get it done.

I wasn't arguing DMA per se, rather I was wondering aloud whether the actual TV viewing footprint of those schools was actually significantly larger than their individual DMAs.

That is a salient point although no one here knows the exact #s of the deal byu made.

LHN is worth $15M/yr from ESPN per the fishwrap today ($300M, 20 yr). But then again UT bought $3.5B worth of gold last year so money isn't exactly an issue for them.

[Mormon Red Death]

Regardless of #'s could those other three schools create any deal with ESPN. Louisville maybe, but only on the backbone of their basketball program and even then highly unlikely.

Who knows? They haven't needed to do something like that.

[Clark Addison]

I wasn't arguing DMA per se, rather I was wondering aloud whether the actual TV viewing footprint of those schools was actually significantly larger than their individual DMAs.

I would argue the reverse, that BYU draws more outside of its DMA than the other schools.

I'll admit that this is my opinion, unsubstantiated by any data I have, and that I may be influenced in this opinion by my bias.

[falafel]

Who knows? They haven't needed to do something like that.

They haven't needed to, but I really doubt they could. There's just not enough national following for a team like Louisville, even for BB.

BYU has a national following because it has dispersed its graduates so far. I'm not trying to say that BYU has a HUGE following nationally, but its big enough that a BYU game will get some points in almost every market. I don't think Louisville, Cinci or Memphis could come close to doing that.

[Mormon Red Death]

That link doesn't say that.

I figured a misquote by me would be the exact same as you.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I wasn't arguing DMA per se, rather I was wondering aloud whether the actual TV viewing footprint of those schools was actually significantly larger than their individual DMAs.

I would argue the reverse, that BYU draws more outside of its DMA than the other schools.

I'll admit that this is my opinion, unsubstantiated by any data I have, and that I may be influenced in this opinion by my bias.

I wasn't necessarily comparing those other schools to byu, but just wondering about how the DMA compares to actual TV network overlap. When I lived in New England we had TV coverage from Boston, Manchester nh, and Portland me. Boston/Manch-Vegas are considered one DMA, while Portland is a second, but there is significant overlap.

You are correct that BYU draws more out of its DMA than SOME/MANY/(MOST?) other schools, simply because its student base are characterized more by religion than by geographical ties.

[Sizzle]

I would argue the reverse, that BYU draws more outside of its DMA than the other schools.

I'll admit that this is my opinion, unsubstantiated by any data I have, and that I may be influenced in this opinion by my bias.

Well, and that was the biggest point I was trying to make with the ESPN point. You're not going to get to DMA numbers and viewership indexes easily. But the one group who lives in that world was willing to sign on (and IIRC, sought BYU out) so that should speak volumes to what appeal the BYU brand has on a national scale.

I would think Louisville might be able to set something up on a similar scale. But Cincy and Memphis? Not a chance.

[Mormon Red Death]

They haven't needed to, but I really doubt they could. There's just not enough national following for a team like Louisville, even for BB.

BYU has a national following because it has dispersed its graduates so far. I'm not trying to say that BYU has a HUGE following nationally, but its big enough that a BYU game will get some points in almost every market. I don't think Louisville, Cinci or Memphis could come close to doing that.

Unless we know what the contract was in order to compare I don't think anybody can make that assumption. Byu was getting a little over 1 million dollars with the MWC. Considering that ESPN knew how much they were getting from the MWC, how much more are they getting from the espn deal?

[NorthwestUteFan]

They haven't needed to, but I really doubt they could. There's just not enough national following for a team like Louisville, even for BB.

agreed.

BYU has a national following because it has dispersed its graduates so far. I'm not trying to say that BYU has a HUGE following nationally, but its big enough that a BYU game will get some points in almost every market. I don't think Louisville, Cinci or Memphis could come close to doing that.

The total population of LDS members (on the books, not necessarily active) = ~2% nationwide. A certain percentage of those watch college football, and a large portion of LDS CFB watchers are BYU fans. You are legion.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Unless we know what the contract was in order to compare I don't think anybody can make that assumption. Byu was getting a little over 1 million dollars with the MWC. Considering that ESPN knew how much they were getting from the MWC, how much more are they getting from the espn deal?

It is somewhere between "significantly higher than the MWC deal" and below Tejas' deal of $15M/yr for the Longhorn Network.

FWIW, I would like to see more schools/conferences put together Roku channels a la BYUTV. The totality of content available is awesome. They have streaming of firesides/devotionals/talks from campus, some live sports events, and a large number of On-Demand games from the archives. Want to watch Kurt Gouveia (?) dive over the LOS to tackle the QB to seal the win in the 1982-ish Holiday Bowl? Check. Want to watch a game from last year? check. Want to watch Chris Yergensen hook in a 53 yard field goal to break the cycle of domination? check.

(I need to watch that one again to see if I can spot the thugs who tried to start fights with me simply because I was wearing Utah gear, pointing at the scoreboard, and giggling with joy...and NO I was not one of the fools who tried to rip down the goal posts)

[Coach McGuirk]

Back to the lesson at hand,


Dan Beebe says don't let the door hit you on the way out A&M.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...12-membership/

[Surfah]

Back to the lesson at hand,


Dan Beebe says don't let the door hit you on the way out A&M.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...12-membership/

Thanks. I have been searching for a Youtube video of Chong Li saying "matte" to Frank Dux for MRD.