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Not as long they are paying the bills of my team(s)."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
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I read an article on the Examiner about this as well. They've won the Big 12 once since it's been created I believe. And they have only made the championship game twice. If they're tired of being Texas' bitch, what do they think they're going to be in the SEC? And if they can't really compete in the Big 12, how do they expect to do so in the best conference in college football?Originally posted by Sizzle View PostSeriously, I don't get why aTm thinks that they're going to gain by moving to the SEC. They can't win the Big 12... why are they going to do better moving to the SEC?"Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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Good question and as Chip reported...Originally posted by Sizzle View PostSeriously, I don't get why aTm thinks that they're going to gain by moving to the SEC. They can't win the Big 12... why are they going to do better moving to the SEC?
TAMU's big game every year in the SEC would most likely be Arkansas because LSU, Alabama, and Auburn would tag team on killing any hopes of winning the SEC West and going to the SEC championship game.Several sources thought out loud about why Texas A&M would trade being in the more winnable Big 12, which has an easier path to a national title without a league title game, for a place in the SEC West with the likes of Alabama, LSU, Arkansas and Auburn.
"Texas A&M should be in the top three of the Big 12 in football every year," one Big 12 source said. "In the SEC, they'll fight to be in the top half of the conference every year.""If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Recruiting. If you're in the Big 12 South, all your annual matchups are in Texas and Oklahoma. That's where all the exposure is, and A&M can't compete for recruits in either state. They can't compete in the neighboring SEC states because those kids are SEC snobs. They're hoping that if they get some exposure in Arkansas and Mississippi, plus pick up the SEC label, they'll start to have more luck.Originally posted by Surfah View PostI read an article on the Examiner about this as well. They've won the Big 12 once since it's been created I believe. And they have only made the championship game twice. If they're tired of being Texas' bitch, what do they think they're going to be in the SEC? And if they can't really compete in the Big 12, how do they expect to do so in the best conference in college football?
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That's a big bucket of hope they're trying to fill then.Originally posted by Babs View PostRecruiting. If you're in the Big 12 South, all your annual matchups are in Texas and Oklahoma. That's where all the exposure is, and A&M can't compete for recruits in either state. They can't compete in the neighboring SEC states because those kids are SEC snobs. They're hoping that if they get some exposure in Arkansas and Mississippi, plus pick up the SEC label, they'll start to have more luck."Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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Shame they haven't been able to out recruit TTech & TCU.Originally posted by Babs View PostRecruiting. If you're in the Big 12 South, all your annual matchups are in Texas and Oklahoma. That's where all the exposure is, and A&M can't compete for recruits in either state. They can't compete in the neighboring SEC states because those kids are SEC snobs. They're hoping that if they get some exposure in Arkansas and Mississippi, plus pick up the SEC label, they'll start to have more luck.
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Originally posted by Sizzle View PostSeriously, I don't get why aTm thinks that they're going to gain by moving to the SEC. They can't win the Big 12... why are they going to do better moving to the SEC?Would they get more money?Originally posted by Surfah View PostI read an article on the Examiner about this as well. They've won the Big 12 once since it's been created I believe. And they have only made the championship game twice. If they're tired of being Texas' bitch, what do they think they're going to be in the SEC? And if they can't really compete in the Big 12, how do they expect to do so in the best conference in college football?Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
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It's a less-known fact, but ND and UT have been talking about this informally for at least a year or two.Originally posted by LiveCoug View PostVery interesting... A new conference started by Texas AND Notre Dame? That would be juicy...
The idea is that this would not be structured quite like a traditional conference. It would be designed to really be a type of "independent super conference" where the teams have a lot of leeway to do their own TV deals, and operate very autonomously, but get together on some formal scheduling agreements and some structured championships in the minor sports.
Because of its loose structure, obviously only certain types of teams would be eligible and be a good fit - teams that can, and want to basically be out there on their own for the most part, while enjoying an easier time scheduling.
ND, Texas, Oklahoma, and BYU are the four really obvious candidates. The service academies might join in too.
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I suppose. But when this thread started there was no independence. No deal with ESPN. No deal with BYUTV. We were still in the MWC. A lot has changed. I am content with where BYU is at now. If BYU gets an invite to the Big 12 if TAMU bolts I hope they take it. But only if Texas and OU are in.Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View PostLOL, most ironic post in the thread."Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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The conference of the super independents seems very possible. UT and OU could bring the Big 12 BCS AQ tie in and it solves the last half of the season scheduling problem. I could see other programs like USC going "independent" and joining this conference. TAMU leaving the Big 12 could turn BYU's easy Oct and Nov schedule into something a lot more interesting.Originally posted by shoganai View PostIt's a less-known fact, but ND and UT have been talking about this informally for at least a year or two.
The idea is that this would not be structured quite like a traditional conference. It would be designed to really be a type of "independent super conference" where the teams have a lot of leeway to do their own TV deals, and operate very autonomously, but get together on some formal scheduling agreements and some structured championships in the minor sports.
Because of its loose structure, obviously only certain types of teams would be eligible and be a good fit - teams that can, and want to basically be out there on their own for the most part, while enjoying an easier time scheduling.
ND, Texas, Oklahoma, and BYU are the four really obvious candidates. The service academies might join in too."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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NCAA bylaws state that a conference must have 8 teams. They don't however state that all the teams must play each other. If ND and UT decide they want a super indy conferenc then they get 6 other teams (I will go with shoganai and say OU, OKST, byu, Airforce, Army and Navy). Only require 6 conference games which leaves all the indys 6 OOC to make their money."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
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