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  • #11386
    With Okie St. being left out of the title game and seeing them pound Oklahoma. I wonder how much the Big 12 is now thinking about getting back to 12 teams is a necessity...

    With Okie St. being left out I think this bodes well for this argument. If they were at 12 teams the Big 12 Championship Game would of been played and I think that win for Okie St. would of put them over Alabama for the title Game.. Instead they are left out this year and I think it will continue if they remain at 10 teams./.

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    • #11387
      Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
      With Okie St. being left out of the title game and seeing them pound Oklahoma. I wonder how much the Big 12 is now thinking about getting back to 12 teams is a necessity...

      With Okie St. being left out I think this bodes well for this argument. If they were at 12 teams the Big 12 Championship Game would of been played and I think that win for Okie St. would of put them over Alabama for the title Game.. Instead they are left out this year and I think it will continue if they remain at 10 teams./.
      This is all part my plan. Of course the B12 will get back to 12 teams, back to a conference championship game. Speaking of getting back....

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      • #11388
        GSwaim - The buzz in big east is that it is very unlikely that Wvu gets out of big east.

        Luck and #WVU told #Big12 they would pay whatever it takes to get out of the #BigEast, but now it appears they don't have enough cash.

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        • #11389
          Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
          GSwaim - The buzz in big east is that it is very unlikely that Wvu gets out of big east.

          Luck and #WVU told #Big12 they would pay whatever it takes to get out of the #BigEast, but now it appears they don't have enough cash.
          The Big 12 really is run by a bunch of middle school morans.

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          • #11390
            Does anyone know the status of the ACC and SEC both going to 14 teams? 12 is workable, and so is (barely) 16. But 14 creates all sorts of problems. And doesn't WVU make so much more sense in the ACC as a 15th or 16th school?

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            • #11391
              Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
              GSwaim - The buzz in big east is that it is very unlikely that Wvu gets out of big east.

              Luck and #WVU told #Big12 they would pay whatever it takes to get out of the #BigEast, but now it appears they don't have enough cash.
              Sadly, this in no way changes BYU's position vis-a-vis the Big 12.
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              • #11392
                Originally posted by Marvelous View Post
                The Big 12 really is run by a bunch of middle school morans.
                On a good day.

                Still, it'd be better than independence.
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                • #11393
                  Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                  With Okie St. being left out of the title game and seeing them pound Oklahoma. I wonder how much the Big 12 is now thinking about getting back to 12 teams is a necessity...

                  With Okie St. being left out I think this bodes well for this argument. If they were at 12 teams the Big 12 Championship Game would of been played and I think that win for Okie St. would of put them over Alabama for the title Game.. Instead they are left out this year and I think it will continue if they remain at 10 teams./.
                  But a CCG cuts both ways.
                  1996: Texas upset Nebraska keeping the Cornhuksers out of the NCG.
                  1998: Texas A&M upset undefeated Kansas St. keeping the Wildcat out of the NCG.
                  2003: Kansas St. upset undefeated Oklahoma; many thought OU should not have played in the BCS CG but the Sooners still did
                  2009: Texas almost lost its chance at playing Alabama but won on a last second FG against Nebraska in the CCG.


                  In short, I can think of two times that the Big 12 CCG cost a Big 12 team a place in the NCG. And it almost happened on two other seasons. In contrast, I cannot think of a single season where the Big 12 champ got the invite to the BCS championship because they won the Big 12 CG...At least not until 2011. So perhaps it gets the Big 12 to expand. But there's always the chance that an undefeated team loses in the Big 12 CCG. So I think the coaches might still be against the idea. However, the conference might be for it because if an undefeated team loses a CCG, it still probably gets a BCS invite and the Big12 puts two teams in BCS bowls.
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                  • #11394
                    So uh, the Big 12 is going to only have 9 teams next year? Or is Chuck Neinas going to randomly tell Missouri to stay next season?

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                    • #11395
                      I seem to recall Nebraska going to the "national championship" game after getting curb stomped in the conference championship game - am I remembering wrong, or does that play into the equation as well?

                      As I recall, they also got curb stomped in the national championship game, so maybe losing the conference championship should've cost them going...

                      Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                      But a CCG cuts both ways.
                      1996: Texas upset Nebraska keeping the Cornhuksers out of the NCG.
                      1998: Texas A&M upset undefeated Kansas St. keeping the Wildcat out of the NCG.
                      2003: Kansas St. upset undefeated Oklahoma; many thought OU should not have played in the BCS CG but the Sooners still did
                      2009: Texas almost lost its chance at playing Alabama but won on a last second FG against Nebraska in the CCG.


                      In short, I can think of two times that the Big 12 CCG cost a Big 12 team a place in the NCG. And it almost happened on two other seasons. In contrast, I cannot think of a single season where the Big 12 champ got the invite to the BCS championship because they won the Big 12 CG...At least not until 2011. So perhaps it gets the Big 12 to expand. But there's always the chance that an undefeated team loses in the Big 12 CCG. So I think the coaches might still be against the idea. However, the conference might be for it because if an undefeated team loses a CCG, it still probably gets a BCS invite and the Big12 puts two teams in BCS bowls.

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                      • #11396
                        Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                        I seem to recall Nebraska going to the "national championship" game after getting curb stomped in the conference championship game - am I remembering wrong, or does that play into the equation as well?

                        As I recall, they also got curb stomped in the national championship game, so maybe losing the conference championship should've cost them going...
                        No that 2001 team was beat by CU 62-36, and didn't even play in the CCG
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                        • #11397
                          Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                          I seem to recall Nebraska going to the "national championship" game after getting curb stomped in the conference championship game - am I remembering wrong, or does that play into the equation as well?

                          As I recall, they also got curb stomped in the national championship game, so maybe losing the conference championship should've cost them going...
                          As JIC already replied, that was in 2001 and Colorado stomped Nebraska to the tune of 62-36. Nebraska didn't even win the Big 12 North so it didn't play in the CCG (much like Bama this year). Colorado upset Texas in the Big 12 CCG so it could be argued that the CCG cost Texas a shot at the NCG. But since Nebraska was invited from the Big 12, it didn't cost the conference a shot at the title. Also, Tennesse got beat by LSU in the SEC CCG. With Texas and Tennessee losing, that left Oregon or Nebraska to face Miami. Ducks fans were not happy (for good reason) that Nebraska got to play undefeated Miami in the Rose Bowl. Both Oregon and Nebraska had one conference loss but Oregon won the PAC-10 and Nebraska didn't even win it's division in the Big 12.

                          That 2001 Miami team was very, very good. I remember discussing the upcoming game with one of the more knowledgeable Cane fans and he pointed out that only 2-3 Nebraska starters would be good enough to start on that Miami team (it was filled with an unbelievable amount of future NFL first round picks). That's when I thought Nebraska might be in trouble (with good reason).

                          In retrospect, I wish Oregon would have gotten plastered by Miami in the Rose Bowl. The PAC-10 would have been somewhat happy since their team was playing in Pasadena (much criticsm was directed at Nebraska since they kept a PAC-10 team out of the Rose Bowl). Nebraska could have played in another BCS Bowl that it had more of a chance of winning.

                          The end of the 2001 season with the blowout losses to Colorado and Miami marked a downward spiral for Cornhusker football. It was shocking after earlier in the season defeating an undefeated and reigning national champion Oklahoma team. In 2002, Nebraska went 7-7; the first time since 1968 that the Cornhuskers didn't win at least 9 games. At the end of the 2003 season, their HC Frank Solich was fired despite going 9-3 and Nebraska has not played in a BCS bowl since 2001.
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                          • #11398
                            Why the threadjack?

                            We were having a great discussion on sabbath day observance.
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                            • #11399
                              Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                              The end of the 2001 season with the blowout losses to Colorado and Miami marked a downward spiral for Cornhusker football. It was shocking after earlier in the season defeating an undefeated and reigning national champion Oklahoma team. In 2002, Nebraska went 7-7; the first time since 1968 that the Cornhuskers didn't win at least 9 games. At the end of the 2003 season, their HC Frank Solich was fired despite going 9-3 and Nebraska has not played in a BCS bowl since 2001.
                              The wheels coming off that 2001 squad is still a mystery to me. That was a good defense. Not one of our best, but very solid. Like you said, they absolutely shut down a very good Oklahoma team. Seeing Colorado run them over straight ahead was just mind-boggling. Miami was more understandable. That offense was stacked with NFL talent and no one was going to beat them.

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                              • #11400
                                Did anyone else see this tweet from Randall Jeppson at KSL? Randall Jeppson Twitter

                                I would love to hear @TomHolmoe address this rumor. “@GSwaim: @DrDaveKimball (Big12) wanted all sports, and Holmoe said that wasn't doable.”
                                I love how its a rumor that could've been thought up by anybody on the planet that wants to get under a BYU fans skin... and it kinda works on me.

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