The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[myboynoah]

This was an interesting read. Can't say that it is big on facts, but it is an interesting opinion.


Big 12 and Big East killed themselves

Thanks JiC, that was interesting.

[Hot Lunch]

Well, you've alluded to something that makes BYU unique. There are many outstanding universities that don't make research a primary mission. Dartmouth, Boston University, Notre Dame and Georgetown come to mind. These are schools that (purportedly) like BYU have staked out missions emphasizing undergraduate education and professional schools. But even these schools (none of whom are AAU) are on the reserch grid, rated with "very high research activity" by Carnegie, though with not by any stretch Texas sized research budgets. They all have research budgets of hundreds of millions of dollars a year. It's highly unusual the way BYU has virtually no research and this essentially puts it in a category by itself. BYU's research activity is like a small liberal arts college's.

Then too, BYU is unique in the pervasive quality of a very conservative religion's institutional control. I can see why mainstream universities would think this is an intangible factor that hurts its reputation.

This is a football thread damnit. Stop talking about academics. Take this shit elsewhere. Expansion has to do football and only football. Stop kidding yourself with all this other nonsense.

[woot]

This is a football thread damnit. Stop talking about academics. Take this shit elsewhere. Expansion has to do football and only football. Stop kidding yourself with all this other nonsense.

Says the guy bringing up religion at every opportunity.

[Hot Lunch]

Says the guy bringing up religion at every opportunity.

Maybe you should check my posts and see how often I bring up religion in this thread (or this entire board at all) smart guy. Get your facts right. I was asked a simple question and I answered it.

[ERCougar]

I don't think you are qualified to rate Utah's gradutate programs. I doubt you've even accessed much that's available to lay people on this.

I can't wait to hear the opinion of the attorney from Seattle who hasn't spent a day in postgraduate education at Utah. Please--educate me. Exactly which non-health science program at Utah is well-respected?

EDIT: This isn't meant as smack. BYU's got academic freedom issues that hurt its reputation as much or more. You just like to pretend that Utah is in a whole different class of school and it's not. I suspect you're trolling anyway.

[SeattleUte]

I can't wait to hear the opinion of the attorney from Seattle who hasn't spent a day in postgraduate education at Utah. Please--educate me. Exactly which non-health science program at Utah is well-respected?

EDIT: This isn't meant as smack. BYU's got academic freedom issues that hurt its reputation as much or more. You just like to pretend that Utah is in a whole different class of school and it's not. I suspect you're trolling anyway.

Utah IS a whole different class of school. lol How could you say otherwise? For one thing, Utah has a med school. Utah also has a quarter billiond dollar annual research budget and BYU's is pretty much zero (highly unusual for a "university," even one who claims to be primarily oriented to undergraduate teaching and professional schools).

Why don't you study this for a while. You might find it educational:

http://mup.asu.edu/research.html

[Jeff Lebowski]

I was joking about the deal with Utah. Do you need smiley faces?

Why else is BYU not being discussed? (We know Utah was on one of Scott's whiteboarded scenarios.) When it comes to academics, BYU is an empty suit.

My, this thread is comedy gold.

"Oh, I was just kidding about Utah to the PAC-10. Hey, let me tell you for the one millionth time about BYU's poor academic reputation."

[Jeff Lebowski]

As has been said about a million times already, academics = research, not undergraduate teaching. Utah is far, far better than BYU when it comes to research, as everyone here already knows. BYU by design is not a research institution.

Why yes. As a matter of fact that has been said a million times.

I can kind of understand SU's maniacal obsession with the issue since he fancies himself as the alpha dog Ute troll here, but yours is a bit more puzzling. I suppose you must be the BYU version of an ALUF. You are one strange cat.

[SeattleUte]

My, this thread is comedy gold.

"Oh, I was just kidding about Utah to the PAC-10. Hey, let me tell you for the one millionth time about BYU's poor academic reputation."

I was kidding about saying Utah had a hand shake deal with Scott. Good lord. It was an obvious joke. Stop being such an engineer.

I've been saying for weeks there is no "done deal".

[SeattleUte]

Here I am making fun of the "done deal"ers:

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...hlight=Cowherd

In Speakeasy I also said that Cowherd convinced me that the deal was far from done.

[woot]

Why yes. As a matter of fact that has been said a million times.

I can kind of understand SU's maniacal obsession with the issue since he fancies himself as the alpha dog Ute troll here, but yours is a bit more puzzling. I suppose you must be the BYU version of an ALUF. You are one strange cat.

What's so strange? That I don't automatically take BYU's side on this issue even though I'm a BYU fan? Maybe that's strange, but I don't see much wrong with it.

[myboynoah]

Utah IS a whole different class of school. lol How could you say otherwise? For one thing, Utah has a med school. Utah also has a quarter billiond dollar annual research budget and BYU's is pretty much zero (highly unusual for a "university," even one who claims to be primarily oriented to undergraduate teaching and professional schools).

Why don't you study this for a while. You might find it educational:

http://mup.asu.edu/research.html

As if this shit even matters.

Expansion was a primary topic at the conference's annual meeting of presidents and chancellors in Chicago on Sunday. They reaffirmed their desire in only courting universities accredited through the Association of American Universities. That remains an important aspect of the evaluative process. But if that means accepting unaccredited Texas Tech with Texas and Texas A&M because of pressure from Texas state politicians, then Delany and the presidents should compromise.

Big Ten will rue the day if it can't expand quickly

It's the $$$ my friend. If the Pac 10 powers must hold their noses and vote in Texas Tech and Baylor, they will do it.

[Uncle Ted]

Utah IS a whole different class of school. lol How could you say otherwise? For one thing, Utah has a med school. Utah also has a quarter billiond dollar annual research budget and BYU's is pretty much zero (highly unusual for a "university," even one who claims to be primarily oriented to undergraduate teaching and professional schools).

Why don't you study this for a while. You might find it educational:

http://mup.asu.edu/research.html

Hmm...

Yes, according to this report the PAC-10+6 should take Baylor over Colorado since it seems that Baylor has a better (research) med school.

[myboynoah]

Interesting report out of Nebraska.

Is the Big 12 Conference reaching the point of no return?

Multiple sources in two leagues told The World-Herald on Sunday that they sense the Big 12 may have fractured too much to heal — and that the announcement of six Big 12 teams moving to the Pacific 10 could come sometime this week.

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Representatives from the Pac-10 made exploratory visits to the campuses at Texas and Texas A&M two weeks ago, a source at a Big 12 school told The World-Herald.

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Nebraska officials have remained silent on the speculation.

Chancellor Harvey Perlman, in an e-mail to The World-Herald on Sunday night, wrote: “Sorry, but as I said earlier, I am making no comments regarding conference realignment.’’

Sources: Pac-10 may act soon

[SoonerCoug]

Hmm...

Yes, according to this report the PAC-10+6 should take Baylor over Colorado since it seems that Baylor has a better (research) med school.

Baylor College of Medicine is not affiliated with the Baylor University undergraduate campus in any way, just like the Baylor University Hospital in Dallas is not associated with Baylor University in Waco. At some point a very long time ago, they were affiliated, but they divorced themselves from each other many years ago.