The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Like I said in the prediction thread:



We'll see though.

I think a bunch of legislators are talking tough. If the P16 channel really paid 3 state schools in excess of $25 million a year and they blocked that for a private school they would be in trouble politically.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Anyone else notice that Southen Cal was supposed to get their sanctions announced on Friday and there wasn't a word? I wonder if the NCAA is holding off for a few weeks to not steal the headlines.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Does all of this mean that the press conference party at the Pie on 6/11 is canceled?

[LA Ute]

Does all of this mean that the press conference party at the Pie on 6/11 is canceled?

The press conference party was held yesterday at The Pie. (I ended up being in Salt Lake a week earlier than expected. ) No news media showed up. Just as I predicted. Jerks. We'll reschedule.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Does all of this mean that the press conference party at the Pie on 6/11 is canceled?

Heck no. It may become a "drown our sorrows" party, but still a party none the less.

[BlueHair]

Now that I've given this more thought, I'm praying to Allah that one of two things happens. #1 - No conference expansion at all. #2 Big 12 is dissolved. I don't like BYU's chances if the Big 12 loses a couple of schools and decides to replace them rather than join the PAC 10.

[pellegrino]

Now that I've given this more thought, I'm praying to Allah that one of two things happens. #1 - No conference expansion at all. #2 Big 12 is dissolved. I don't like BYU's chances if the Big 12 loses a couple of schools and decides to replace them rather than join the PAC 10.

I tend to agree with you. I'm ok with the status quo, and I'd much rather see the MWC become an auto bid conference by adding some Big12 leftovers and the spudding broncos.

[jay santos]

I tend to agree with you. I'm ok with the status quo, and I'd much rather see the MWC become an auto bid conference by adding some Big12 leftovers and the spudding broncos.

I wonder if the big xii leftovers (4 of them) could add 4-5 teams (byu, utah, tcu, boise, unlv) and remain intact? That would be preferrable to a bloated mwc.

[LA Ute]

I wonder if the big xii leftovers (4 of them) could add 4-5 teams (byu, utah, tcu, boise, unlv) and remain intact? That would be preferrable to a bloated mwc.

Agreed.

[woot]

That was a good read. Just for fun I looked up some rankings (US News & World Report. All schools ranked are considered Tier 1 schools).

Current PAC 10
#4 Standford
#21 Cal
#24 UCLA
#26 USC
#42 Washington
#102 Arizona
#106 Washington State
#115 Oregon
#121 Arizona State
Unranked Tier 3 School! - Oregon St

Here's the rankings for the Big 12 schools that might be headed to the PAC 10
#47 Texas
#61 Texas A&M
#77 Colorado
#102 Oklahoma
Unranked Tier 3 School - Texas Tech
Unranked Tier 3 School - Oklahoma State

Outside looking in:
#71 BYU
#80 Baylor
#88 Iowa State
#96 Kansas
#126 Utah
Unranked Tier 3 School - Kansas State

It's interesting that everyone thinks BYU's academics suck, but they would be among the top of the PAC 16 if they were included. Why in the world would Baylor be left out in favor of Texas Tech or Oklahoma State?

I have no problem if the PAC 10 doesn't want a religious school. Saying the reason is academics is just not true.

The academics that are better than Utah's and a few Pac 10 schools?

As has been said about a million times already, academics = research, not undergraduate teaching. Utah is far, far better than BYU when it comes to research, as everyone here already knows. BYU by design is not a research institution.

[LiveCoug]

As has been said about a million times already, academics = research, not undergraduate teaching. Utah is far, far better than BYU when it comes to research, as everyone here already knows. BYU by design is not a research institution.

Just curious, but why is BYU listed as an extensive research Universty (along with Utah) by the Carnegie foundation?


http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html

[myboynoah]

Just curious, but why is BYU listed as an extensive research Universty (along with Utah) by the Carnegie foundation?


http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html

Interesting. I'm sure the reason is somewhere there in fine print.

[woot]

Just curious, but why is BYU listed as an extensive research Universty (along with Utah) by the Carnegie foundation?


http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html

Probably because the criteria have little to do with research. It seems that offering at least 50 doctorates across 15 fields is good enough. BYU gives away lots of doctorates in non-research fields like business, law, and education. The same foundation, using more stringent criteria, listed Utah and even Utah State as "Research I" universities, without a mention of BYU. http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities94.html

This shouldn't be a controversial point. Research is not the focus at BYU, and no one would claim that it is. Research is the focus of a great many other institutions, and these are the ones that will get preferential treatment from the Pac10 and Big10, and probably the other conferences as well.

I'd recommend http://mup.asu.edu/research2009.pdf as an example of a good source.

[ERCougar]

As has been said about a million times already, academics = research, not undergraduate teaching. Utah is far, far better than BYU when it comes to research, as everyone here already knows. BYU by design is not a research institution.

"Far, far better" is an exaggeration, as outside of the life sciences, Utah's graduate programs are a bit of a joke. IIRC, the US News rankings consider endowment size and research programs as factors in their rankings. Right or wrong, the US News rankings have an impact on academic reputations, and I guarantee that a conference that is allegedly concerned about academic reputation keeps an eye on them.

Make no mistake--BYU's religious affiliation is their major black mark, a black mark that was made darker with Prop 8. That's not persecution syndrome talking.

[Portland Ute]

"Far, far better" is an exaggeration, as outside of the life sciences, Utah's graduate programs are a bit of a joke. IIRC, the US News rankings consider endowment size and research programs as factors in their rankings. Right or wrong, the US News rankings have an impact on academic reputations, and I guarantee that a conference that is allegedly concerned about academic reputation keeps an eye on them.

Make no mistake--BYU's religious affiliation is their major black mark, a black mark that was made darker with Prop 8. That's not persecution syndrome talking.

Utah's graduate programs outside of the life sciences are a joke?