"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[MarkGrace]

Why do I feel like the final roster spot is going to be taken by a guy who should have retired 3 seasons ago? #whiplash

JLIII

[MarkGrace]

I'm enjoying Commando's increased participation in this thread.

[Commando]

I'm enjoying Commando's increased participation in this thread.

I hope not for reasons of unintentional humor.

[MarkGrace]

I hope not for reasons of unintentional humor.

Of course not.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I don't think it has anything to do with Corbin's sucktitude.

I think it has less to do with Corbin's suckitude than I will make it out to be, but that won't stop me from putting plenty of blame there. Whether Hayward is the #1 or #3 option on any team next year, I think the Jazz season will help validate Jalen Rose's claim that Corbin was the worst head coach in the NBA last year. The roster was bad and easy to game plan against. Corbin was worse.

I also don't take this as a knock on Corbin. The team's shooting coach is usually an assistant, not the head guy. I mean Horny was the dedicated shooting coach, though I'm not sure who that transitioned to after he went to Phoenix. I assume Snyder held that role in Atlanta, and now as head coach my assumption is his ability to work in that capacity will be limited. You also look at a team like SA and the shooting credit there always goes to Chip Engelland, not Pops. Speaking of which, there was a rumor that Snyder was going to make real push for Engelland, so I was a bit bummed when his bench looked to be mostly status quo Jazz.

I'll have to look up DMC's comments again, but I don't think the credit he was giving to Snyder for his boost in 3pt shooting was just in terms of individual work and honing his shot. But more so about the confidence he gave DMC to shoot it more in games, and helping create the offensive scheme in practice that put Atlanta's players in position to get good shots and having the freedom to take those shots. Those are tasks that it seems Snyder is intent on carrying over into his head coaching responsibilities. He's talked about defense and how he'll be in charge of instilling the basic defensive fundamentals he wants the team to practice, but I'd bet Wells and Lang actually end up taking care of a lot of that while Snyder has his fingerprints all over the offense. I think we'll see an end to Hayward's pull up jumpers from just inside the 3pt line, more Kanter from outside 18 feet, and having Hayward still be a primary offensive focus without having to have the ball in his hands as much as he did last year.

[MarkGrace]

DMC said Snyder worked with him a lot on his shot and that he'd never had a coach do that before. Everyone seemed to want to jump on Corbin, but to me that's really an assistant thing. Though I do obviously agree that a head coach can do things to help put players in better positions to shoot well. I'm thinking like the way Spoelstra sat down with Bron and reviewed his shooting %'s on every part of the floor, or the way Pops offense gets players such wide open friggin' looks that they're bound to shoot better. And of course there are other things they can do.

[Commando]

I'm feeling increasingly good about the Hood pick and increasingly meh about the Exum pick. :/ Oh well. At least we have MAD cap space to bring in a dude who doesn't really want to be here!!

[SandYFan]

So what are everyone's limits on how much to pay a player based on his role?

Number 1 option, unquestioned franchise guy: LeBron

Number 2 option, franchise guy on a good, not great team: Chris Bosh or Scottie Pippen

Number 3 option: Gordon

Number 4 option: Favors?

Number 5 option: Danny Green

[smokymountainrain]

I'm feeling increasingly good about the Hood pick and increasingly meh about the Exum pick. :/ Oh well.

Same here. I've watched a lot of Exum the past few days and I'm just not that impressed. I'm encouraged by his ability to play the point full time, however. Regardless of how good a guy is, if you have a 6'6" guy who can legitimately play the point, you should be okay.

At least we have MAD cap space to bring in a dude who doesn't really want to be here!!

Would they technically be "bringing in" G-Time? He has been here the last few years, you know.

[Commando]

So what are everyone's limits on how much to pay a player based on his role?

Number 1 option, unquestioned franchise guy: LeBron

Number 2 option, franchise guy on a good, not great team: Chris Bosh or Scottie Pippen

Number 3 option: Gordon

Number 4 option: Favors?

Number 5 option: Danny Green

The only point of reference I have is what the Jazz were getting paid when we were good, although I'm sure the money is different now.

1. Malone
2. Stockton
3. Horny
4.Russell/Eisley
5. Tag

OR

1. D-Will
2. AK
3. Okur
4. Fisher
5. Brewer


The way I sees it, nobody on the Jazz should be getting a max deal yet. Nobody's indispensable, or at least you can't tell if anyone's indispensable, until we win a playoff series (or at least TRY to win period).

[Commando]

Would they technically be "bringing in" G-Time? He has been here the last few years, you know.

He's not getting a max deal. Who's gonna offer him that- the Suns?

[SandYFan]

The only point of reference I have is what the Jazz were getting paid when we were good, although I'm sure the money is different now.

1. Malone
2. Stockton
3. Horny
4.Russell/Eisley
5. Tag

OR

1. D-Will
2. AK
3. Okur
4. Fisher
5. Brewer


The way I sees it, nobody on the Jazz should be getting a max deal yet. Nobody's indispensable, or at least you can't tell if anyone's indispensable, until we win a playoff series (or at least TRY to win period).

Here are my numbers:

#1 Franchise Guy: $20 million+
#2 Robin: $16 million
#3 Hayward: $11 million
#4 Favors: $8 million
#5: Danny Green: $3 million

Which adds up to $59 million total for my starting five, and leaves $4 million for my bench (projected 2015 cap is $63 million), which seems low.

[smokymountainrain]

He's not getting a max deal. Who's gonna offer him that- the Suns?

Oh, I guessed I missed where you said they would bring in a guy on a max deal. I thought you just mentioned spending a bunch of $$$ for a guy who doesn't want to be here. First name that came to mind was Hayward.

[Commando]

Oh, I guessed I missed where you said they would bring in a guy on a max deal. I thought you just mentioned spending a bunch of $$$ for a guy who doesn't want to be here. First name that came to mind was Hayward.

touche.

[Commando]

Same here. I've watched a lot of Exum the past few days and I'm just not that impressed. I'm encouraged by his ability to play the point full time, however. Regardless of how good a guy is, if you have a 6'6" guy who can legitimately play the point, you should be okay.

You may be right. The more I think about his skill set, he may be a 6'6" Ronnie Price, which is pretty good thing in my estimation.