President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[falafel]

Dear lord. Please save us from this idiot.

Bro, you are about to become rich again. And your women will no longer be abandoned, lonely, or scared.

[BigPiney]

He is so insanely stupid.

[Northwestcoug]

As another country, how do you even deal with that? He's now insanely claiming that Europe will need to pay reparations for the past, on top of whatever tariffs he imposes.

I mean how do you deal with it, on top of the constitutional crises and countless lies.

[falafel]

As another country, how do you even deal with that? He's now insanely claiming that Europe will need to pay reparations for the past, on top of whatever tariffs he imposes.

I mean how do you deal with it, on top of the constitutional crises and countless lies.

If the markets keep going down, down, down, as Trump continues to tell us things are going up, up, up, the people will continue to protest and get more and more upset. That's the only answer.

[BlueK]

That’s a Bingo!

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So predictable. Trump hates anything foreign and he hates free trade.

[BlueK]

He is so insanely stupid.

How fast can he destroy the country.

[wally]

If the markets keep going down, down, down, as Trump continues to tell us things are going up, up, up, the people will continue to protest and get more and more upset. That's the only answer.

This will be interesting to see play out. Let me again stress that I am not a Trump fan, and never once voted for him, but I do fancy myself a realist.

my present opinion is that I do not think that this affects the average Trump voter as much as the media thinks it does...yet. What percentage of Trump voters do you think have sizeable 401k's and see a material loss over the past week in their savings? I honestly don't know, but my guess is that this disproportionately affects the white upper-middle class that did not vote for him anyways. Seems like there are vast swathes of people in the U.S. that don't give a shit about the stock market and view it as the money of the rich. The only way I see these tariffs changing opinions among Trump voters is if this triggers a recession and they lose their jobs or it starts a war (the former more likely than the latter, hopefully). Most folks are living paycheck to paycheck without much thought on retirement. Sorry just being honest.

Aside from the instability created (big aside) this is all very fascinating to watch play out. I saw over the weekend resurrected footage of Nancy Pelosi from 1996 calling for reciprocal tariffs on China, in particular. Same with Bernie and even a remark by Obama about the trade deficits and issues with China. I am happy to see that issue addressed, but do roll out tariffs across a bunch of nations more closely aligned with the U.S. is pretty crazy. to see, the SIGNIFICANT shift in party politics that has occurred in just the past decade or so where the Right is now the party for the common working person. Dogs and cats sleeping together - mass hysteria.

[falafel]

This will be interesting to see play out. Let me again stress that I am not a Trump fan, and never once voted for him, but I do fancy myself a realist.

my present opinion is that I do not think that this affects the average Trump voter as much as the media thinks it does...yet. What percentage of Trump voters do you think have sizeable 401k's and see a material loss over the past week in their savings? I honestly don't know, but my guess is that this disproportionately affects the white upper-middle class that did not vote for him anyways. Seems like there are vast swathes of people in the U.S. that don't give a shit about the stock market and view it as the money of the rich. The only way I see these tariffs changing opinions among Trump voters is if this triggers a recession and they lose their jobs or it starts a war (the former more likely than the latter, hopefully). Most folks are living paycheck to paycheck without much thought on retirement. Sorry just being honest.

Aside from the instability created (big aside) this is all very fascinating to watch play out. I saw over the weekend resurrected footage of Nancy Pelosi from 1996 calling for reciprocal tariffs on China, in particular. Same with Bernie and even a remark by Obama about the trade deficits and issues with China. I am happy to see that issue addressed, but do roll out tariffs across a bunch of nations more closely aligned with the U.S. is pretty crazy. to see, the SIGNIFICANT shift in party politics that has occurred in just the past decade or so where the Right is now the party for the common working person. Dogs and cats sleeping together - mass hysteria.

The average Trump voter won't feel it until it hits Walmart - which ought to be here in about a month.

[BlueK]

This will be interesting to see play out. Let me again stress that I am not a Trump fan, and never once voted for him, but I do fancy myself a realist.

my present opinion is that I do not think that this affects the average Trump voter as much as the media thinks it does...yet. What percentage of Trump voters do you think have sizeable 401k's and see a material loss over the past week in their savings? I honestly don't know, but my guess is that this disproportionately affects the white upper-middle class that did not vote for him anyways. Seems like there are vast swathes of people in the U.S. that don't give a shit about the stock market and view it as the money of the rich. The only way I see these tariffs changing opinions among Trump voters is if this triggers a recession and they lose their jobs or it starts a war (the former more likely than the latter, hopefully). Most folks are living paycheck to paycheck without much thought on retirement. Sorry just being honest.

Aside from the instability created (big aside) this is all very fascinating to watch play out. I saw over the weekend resurrected footage of Nancy Pelosi from 1996 calling for reciprocal tariffs on China, in particular. Same with Bernie and even a remark by Obama about the trade deficits and issues with China. I am happy to see that issue addressed, but do roll out tariffs across a bunch of nations more closely aligned with the U.S. is pretty crazy. to see, the SIGNIFICANT shift in party politics that has occurred in just the past decade or so where the Right is now the party for the common working person. Dogs and cats sleeping together - mass hysteria.

China is one thing because they're a bad actor most of the time, like Russia. Europe and Canada are completely different, and picking a fight with them is unbelievably unproductive and stupid. Also the stock market is one thing but maga folks may care when they lose their jobs and everything at the store costs twice as much.

[chrisrenrut]

If the markets keep going down, down, down, as Trump continues to tell us things are going up, up, up, the people will continue to protest and get more and more upset. That's the only answer.

Unless congress grow a pair. At least a couple of dozen republicans in the house and a dozen in the senate.

[wally]

The average Trump voter won't feel it until it hits Walmart - which ought to be here in about a month.

This also, but I think job loss is going to be the biggest driver.

[BlueK]

This also, but I think job loss is going to be the biggest driver.

It's coming.

[falafel]

This also, but I think job loss is going to be the biggest driver.

Once they start falling behind on their mortgages, the fear will set in. I don't know if that many people will wait until they've been fired.

[wally]

Once they start falling behind on their mortgages, the fear will set in. I don't know if that many people will wait until they've been fired.

Wall street and big greedy finance can be blamed for this too, unfortunately. Point to Blackrock buying up homes and driving up prices to unaffordable levels, or banks forcing adjustable rates on people or whatever. This optics war is not something that can be clearly won because you have corporate actors that can be blamed. This is so weird that the occupy wall street movement made by the far left is now part of the playbook of MAGA republicans.

[Northwestcoug]

my present opinion is that I do not think that this affects the average Trump voter as much as the media thinks it does...yet.

You're right. Right now the dyed in the wool foxnews GOP voter believes this, since he can't stop talking about it and foxnews keeps playing it:

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