ICE ICE baby - the immigration thread

[Clark Addison]

This tracks with pretty much everything I have ever seen, which is that in the US, immigration, legal or illegal, is, overall, a significant economic positive. This is of course not to say that we shouldn't limit immigration and enforce immigration laws for various reasons, or that some of these economic pluses can potentially be problematic.

[dabrockster]

Immigrants are the foundation to our core values as a country. The positive impact is there for sure. The problem is the path and current policies on immigration and politicians who have refused to find common ground on a new policy and President's creating executive orders to make matters worse (Both on open borders as well as enforcement).

[myboynoah]

Immigrants are the foundation to our core values as a country. The positive impact is there for sure. The problem is the path and current policies on immigration and politicians who have refused to find common ground on a new policy and President's creating executive orders to make matters worse (Both on open borders as well as enforcement).

I agree. Does Trump want to create monumental positive change and a real legacy? Be the catalyst for real immigration reform that facilitates legal inflows of labor to do jobs that need to be done here in the U.S., particularly when considering our future demographic changes. This would also need to include a pathway to legal status for some categories of undocumented immigrants already in the country. Supply will always find demand, even if it means crossing borders.

[frank ryan]

This tracks with pretty much everything I have ever seen, which is that in the US, immigration, legal or illegal, is, overall, a significant economic positive. This is of course not to say that we shouldn't limit immigration and enforce immigration laws for various reasons, or that some of these economic pluses can potentially be problematic.

It's worth noting that Trump, Miller etc are working overtime to curtail legal immigration as well. For them, it's about the Great Replacement bullshit.

[myboynoah]

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[Bo Diddley]

Thank you for your service!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Can I ask something without people getting mad?

Do we routinely sign up folks for military service who aren’t citizens of the US? That seems wild to me.

[Bo Diddley]

Can I ask something without people getting mad?

Do we routinely sign up folks for military service who aren’t citizens of the US? That seems wild to me.

Green card holders can enlist. It's a way to expedite naturalization and many have gone this route. I think they were a significant number in WW2.

They can't hold security clearances, so it limits how they can participate until they become citizens.

[frank ryan]

Can I ask something without people getting mad?

Do we routinely sign up folks for military service who aren’t citizens of the US? That seems wild to me.

Yeah, it's not new at all. If you have a green card, I believe you can. There have been agreements with certain counties like the Marshall Islands that also make one eligible. They have had undocumented folks before.

A bunch of countries do this

[Bo Diddley]

This discussion reminded me of one of my soldiers from years ago. We were all slapping our foreheads when he told CNN that he crossed illegally but then later came legally. I've worked with a few non citizens and a few who were recently naturalized.

https://www.ksl.com/article/300768?u...ce=chatgpt.com

[frank ryan]

This discussion reminded me of one of my soldiers from years ago. We were all slapping our foreheads when he told CNN that he crossed illegally but then later came legally. I've worked with a few non citizens and a few who were recently naturalized.

https://www.ksl.com/article/300768?u...ce=chatgpt.com

Sad that this would not happen today.

One of the most interesting individuals I've ever talked and worked with was a French Foreign Legion guy.

There are other such arrangements out there.

I believe anyone in Western Europe can join the Irish Defense Forces. The UK still has permission from Nepal to form units of bad ass Gurkha soldiers, as does India.


The UK will allow people from the commonwealth to join.


The Russians will take anyone and if they survive the meat grinder of Ukraine they get citizenship.


I think it would be cool if the US had a program that allowed otherwise ineligible individual to serve and after a period of time receive citizenship.

[myboynoah]

This conversation.

[YOhio]

He's had a deportation order since 2014 and a criminal history that includes domestic assault, criminal trespass, reckless conduct, deposit account fraud, violation of probation, multiple arrests for driving on a suspended license.

https://www.newsweek.com/military-veteran-deported-to-jamaica-after-50-years-in-us-11470655

[Jeff Lebowski]

He's had a deportation order since 2014 and a criminal history that includes domestic assault, criminal trespass, reckless conduct, deposit account fraud, violation of probation, multiple arrests for driving on a suspended license.

https://www.newsweek.com/military-ve...in-us-11470655

lol. There is almost always more to the story.

[PaloAltoCougar]

lol. There is almost always more to the story.

It's unclear how serious his previous crimes or violations were, but apparently those legal issues were resolved, other than the deportation order. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be deported, but why must Trump/DHS always resort to hyperbolic observations such as, "This repeat offender is now off our streets and no longer able to terrorize Americans."