2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

The UT spamming on election systems and the responses here are perfect examples of how everyone talks past each other in today's political climate. Often two things can be true at the same time. In this case there are probably elections system vulnerabilities that should be shored up and efforts to make fraud harder should be welcome. Also there is zero evidence of election fraud in 2020 on the scale that would have been needed to steal the election from DJT.

The only reason that this is a MAGA obsession is because trump decided to act like a 10-year-old and refuse to admit that he lost.

[tooblue]

Trump celebrates "the late great Hannibal Lecter"

And he is confusing asylum seekers with individuals in an asylum:

[Moliere]

Ohio has a deadline for getting a name onto the ballot that falls before the date of the convention. This was the workaround the dems came up with. Has zero to do with Harris

Ohio passed a bill that changed the date and makes the early nomination unnecesssry.

[Moliere]

Hey Molie, I hear that Kamala Harris is going to be in H-Town today... are you going? Is Texas a swing state now?

Ha! Texas is less of a swing state now than it was four years ago. My vote won’t matter again this year

[Northwestcoug]

I just did a quick search using a python script... it may have turned up some noise but that is not even half the results. The point is there are a lot of examples with problems surrounding mail-in ballots. Convince me I am wrong.

That’s sort of my point Ted. You run a script that comes up with numerous Gateway Pundit links, and then expect us to be convinced of the problem by the sheer quantity of news reports there are. Gateway Pundit is the very definition of noise, if not outright falsehoods. American Greatness isn’t far behind. What is your signal to noise ratio?

[Uncle Ted]

The UT spamming on election systems and the responses here are perfect examples of how everyone talks past each other in today's political climate. Often two things can be true at the same time. In this case there are probably elections system vulnerabilities that should be shored up and efforts to make fraud harder should be welcome. Also there is zero evidence of election fraud in 2020 on the scale that would have been needed to steal the election from DJT.

I never said there is evidence of voting machine fraud... I have said that the great lack of concern of possible election fraud (especially by the democrats or whichever party loses an election) is a problem which can result in people losing their trust in the election process. If some simple things were done (e.g, add VVPAT to all voting machines or use paper, voter ID, minimize the use of mail-in ballots, etc.) then the election process would be trusted more (and it would most likely reduce the election b*tching, protests, insurrections, civil wars, etc.)

[Jeff Lebowski]

I never said there is evidence of voting machine fraud... I have said that the great lack of concern of possible election fraud (especially by the democrats or whichever party loses an election) is a problem which can result in people losing their trust in the election process. If some simple things were done (e.g, add VVPAT to all voting machines or use paper, voter ID, minimize the use of mail-in ballots, etc.) then the election process would be trusted more (and it would most likely reduce the election b*tching, protests, insurrections, civil wars, etc.)

This is BS. You know what makes people lost faith in the election process? Repeating the BIG LIE that the 2020 election was stolen.

[myboynoah]

I never said there is evidence of voting machine fraud... I have said that the great lack of concern of possible election fraud (especially by the democrats or whichever party loses an election) is a problem which can result in people losing their trust in the election process. If some simple things were done (e.g, add VVPAT to all voting machines or use paper, voter ID, minimize the use of mail-in ballots, etc.) then the election process would be trusted more (and it would most likely reduce the election b*tching, protests, insurrections, civil wars, etc.)

Wrong. The MAGA cult will follow Trump's lead, period. That's how cults work.

[BlueK]

Ohio passed a bill that changed the date and makes the early nomination unnecesssry.

But they made this change before that happened and just kept it just to be sure. In any event it predates Biden stepping down by a few weeks.

[Moliere]

But they made this change before that happened and just kept it just to be sure. In any event it predates Biden stepping down by a few weeks.

That’s correct. But they still don’t have to follow thorough on it. There’s no reason to at this point.

[SteelBlue]

minimize the use of mail-in ballots, etc.)

Where does this idea come from except for the disinfo from Trump and his ilk. Mail in ballots are by far the safest and most scrutinized votes. They are the only votes that are always checked by signature.

[falafel]

I never said there is evidence of voting machine fraud... I have said that the great lack of concern of possible election fraud (especially by the democrats or whichever party loses an election) is a problem which can result in people losing their trust in the election process. If some simple things were done (e.g, add VVPAT to all voting machines or use paper, voter ID, minimize the use of mail-in ballots, etc.) then the election process would be trusted more (and it would most likely reduce the election b*tching, protests, insurrections, civil wars, etc.)

No, you just posted links and tweets of every story spreading those lies.

[BlueK]

That’s correct. But they still don’t have to follow thorough on it. There’s no reason to at this point.

Yeah, you're right. Still doesn't matter.

[Uncle Ted]

Where does this idea come from except for the disinfo from Trump and his ilk. Mail in ballots are by far the safest and most scrutinized votes. They are the only votes that are always checked by signature.

LOL... no it is not and it is easy to forge a signature these days. Ask France why they got rid of mail-in ballots:

https://journals.openedition.org/histoiremesure/2313

A major difficulty in organizing political voting is that no single person or organization is trusted to tally and report votes sincerely. A trustworthy voting process must make any attempt at tampering evident. This is very difficult with mail-in voting because the chain of custody is long.

The voting process in France ensures that every point of the chain of custody of votes and vote tallies is verified by multiple people, and any voter is authorized to observe it. Voting is done with paper ballots which the voter places in a transparent ballot box, which never leaves the polling station. Any voter who is registered in the same municipality can observe both the voting (which takes place over a single day) and the tallying at the polling station. Fraud at this stage requires controlling or intimidating all would-be observers, which is a high threshold. The threshold for polling-station fraud over mail-in votes is a lot lower. It is impractical to verify that the mail received over the course of days or even weeks was kept securely, that none of it was thrown away and that extra votes are not added.

It is also more difficult to prevent impersonation with mailed-in votes. At best, casting a mail-in vote on behalf of someone else requires the knowledge of some secret code that was mailed to the voter, and of the voter's signature. Both of these are very easy to do for the entity that organizes the vote. Other would-be fraudsters need to intercept mail, which is a higher threshold, but less high than impersonating someone who is supposed to be physically present.

Another difficulty with mail-in voting is that it makes coercion and vote selling easy. Even if it was possible to validate the chain of custody of the ballot after it was filled by the voter, remote voting makes it impossible to verify that the voter could cast their vote confidentially.

The reason that usually comes up in political discussions and in the press is fraud through an opaque of chain of custody.

[myboynoah]

Still refining the message. Lyin' Kamala? Hmmmm.

Is there anything worse than a RADICAL LEFT MARXIST?

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