2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Goatnapper'96]

What is "Mamala?" Is that a thing out there. I know UT uses it,

Drew Barrymore told her to be Mamala and give us all a hug.

[myboynoah]

Drew Barrymore told her to be Mamala and give us all a hug.

I got a mom already, Drew, and plenty of hugs.

[Maximus]

you gotta see it , real life veep

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[Uncle Ted]

you gotta see it , real life veep

LOL...

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[Omaha 680]

Kamala boycotts Netenyahu's address to congress and then tries to be shocked at the flag burning hamas supporting protestors outside. This is just one example of the difficult tightrope she is going to have to walk. She needs the far left anti Israel block to fall in line and vote for her to win because that is a significant portion of her base. But the electorate in general is very pri israel and finds the far left hamas sympathizers disgusting. The fact the many believe (not without evidence) that her personal feelings are with the far left on this issue does not help.

This balancing act of (in my opinion) trying to hide her real preferences from the middle while winking and nodding to the far left will repeat itself on many issues. I don't think she can pull it off. She does not have anywhere near Obama's talent as a politician.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Kamala boycotts Netenyahu's address to congress and then tries to be shocked at the flag burning hamas supporting protestors outside. This is just one example of the difficult tightrope she is going to have to walk. She needs the far left anti Israel block to fall in line and vote for her to win because that is a significant portion of her base. But the electorate in general is very pri israel and finds the far left hamas sympathizers disgusting. The fact the many believe (not without evidence) that her personal feelings are with the far left on this issue does not help.

This balancing act of (in my opinion) trying to hide her real preferences from the middle while winking and nodding to the far left will repeat itself on many issues. I don't think she can pull it off. She does not have anywhere near Obama's talent as a politician.

Tearing down the US flag, burning it, and raising the palestine flag was a remarkable moment. These people are completely disconnected from reality.

[Goatnapper'96]

Tearing down the US flag, burning it, and raising the palestine flag was a remarkable moment. These people are completely disconnected from reality.

Where is Rick Monday when we need him? Would he be as old as Biden?

[Northwestcoug]

The first link is simply a statement. ("There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.") But as I pointed out without a way to audit the results how can they tell?

It is very possible that voting machines can be dynamically modified. Once the election is over, it simply resets itself to the default state. How to do protect a voting machine from hacker attacks? There is no prefect security when it comes to computers. With enough money and/or resources you can come close but perfect security is a unicorn. In fact, at DEFCON (hacker conference in Vegas) they hack voting machines every year:

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A group of security experts did issue a statement following the 2020 election which I very much agree with... In part, they said:


https://www.mattblaze.org/blog/election-letter/


They also reference the NASEM study ("Securing the Vote"), which gives a number of recommendations including using either human-readable paper ballots (such as optical "bubble" ones) or voting machines that provide the capacity for independent auditing (voter-verifiable paper audit trail or VVPAT). They also recommend that machines that don't produce a VVPAT should be removed from service as soon as possible. See section 4.11 of this study.




Adding VVPAT to voting machines is not expensive. It is simply a printing device attached to the voting machine. Most security experts would rather voting be done by paper (optical scanner).

The thing that VVPAT adds is public perception that their vote actually counted and was counted correct. The VVPAT printer prints out exactly how you voted in a human readable format. Before my county had VVPAT printers on our voting machines I complained to the local voting official that while the machine seemed to take my vote I had no idea that it was in its memory. I recall even asking once if they could show me my vote in the machine which panicked the volunteers at the polls. They gave me persons contact information and I called him. To make a long story short they added VVPAT printers. For people that don't trust computers it is important to show them their vote on paper. Of course, given the crap I have seen in my lifetime I absolutely don't trust any computers.




It doesn't help these people to see on the news someone that gets convicted for voter fraud. Most of the voter fraud we see in the news is surrounding mail-in ballots. I have included a small sample below... They are easy to find. Folks see this on the news and people suspect that an election is being thrown. Such speculate is the seeds of violence or, worse, a civil war. France went to the extreme and outlawed mail-in ballots to give their public confidence in their elections. There is a need for mail-in ballots but it is small.

The other problem is voter authentication. Texas requires voter ID but a lot of states don't. You need an ID for a lot of things and, therefore, it is not a burden to produce one to vote.

Recently there was a house bill to require proof of citizenship and democrats voted against it claiming it was a non-issue... not enough of them vote (that is the claim):

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If this bill makes it past the senate, I am sure the president will veto it.

As for the claim there is not enough of them... in Texas, "95,000 individuals identified by DPS as non-U.S. citizens have a matching voter registration record in Texas, approximately 58,000 of whom have voted in one or more Texas elections." https://www.sos.texas.gov/about/news...9/012519.shtml There is a lot of non-citizen voting going on in other states as well. Yet, democrats don't care enough to do anything able it for some reason.

News sample surrounding mail-in ballots:

Affidavits filed with supreme Court in Harris co, TX of ballot harvesting plot using mail in ballots from mail boxes, nursing homes & the homeless

https://texasscorecard.com/local/aff...esting-scheme/

Michigan man charged with forging daughter's ballot

https://www.wxyz.com/news/canton-tow...bsentee-ballot

2 men, one a previous mayoral candidate, charged with submitting 8,000 unlawful voter registrations in California, MS13 reported to be involved

As I spent 5 minutes with my thumb on the delete button on my phone trying to my response shorter, I saw multiple American Greatness, Gateway Pundit, and Washington Times links. About half way in my deleting phase I thought ‘why bother’? But sunk costs and all that…

Ted, as my oldest daughter used to say to us ‘why are you like this?’ That linked article has zero mentions of MS13. That would be quite the bombshell and intrigued that’s why I clicked on it. But there’s nothing there!

how many of your links do not support your allegations? Because this isn’t the first time it’s happened.

[Uncle Ted]

Tearing down the US flag, burning it, and raising the palestine flag was a remarkable moment. These people are completely disconnected from reality.

They can burn all the flags they want but they have to provide their own... were they arrested for destruction of property?

At least Congresswoman Tlaib had enough respect to show up...

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[myboynoah]

That’s kind of the problem for her that the GOP is ignoring. There are plenty of sound bites they could use against her on these positions but they are fixated on the democrats nomination process. It’s her responsibility to outline her platform, which his usually done during a primary, so now she has to do that in a very short amount of time. So until she clarifies or flip flops on these positions, they are her positions.

Well, Trump called her "real garbage" and a "lunatic" today, so the messaging appears to be getting more refined.

[Uncle Ted]

As I spent 5 minutes with my thumb on the delete button on my phone trying to my response shorter, I saw multiple American Greatness, Gateway Pundit, and Washington Times links. About half way in my deleting phase I thought ‘why bother’? But sunk costs and all that…

Ted, as my oldest daughter used to say to us ‘why are you like this?’ That linked article has zero mentions of MS13. That would be quite the bombshell and intrigued that’s why I clicked on it. But there’s nothing there!

how many of your links do not support your allegations? Because this isn’t the first time it’s happened.

I just did a quick search using a python script... it may have turned up some noise but that is not even half the results. The point is there are a lot of examples with problems surrounding mail-in ballots. Convince me I am wrong.

[Omaha 680]

Well, Trump called her "real garbage" and a "lunatic" today, so the messaging appears to be getting more refined.

This is just trump trying to unify the country after his near death experience. A changed man!

[myboynoah]

This is just trump trying to unify the country after his near death experience. A changed man!

Another win for Governor Cox and prayer!

[Uncle Ted]

This is just trump trying to unify the country after his near death experience. A changed man!

I wonder how long it will take the Dems to get back to calling Trump a Nazi... Oh, not long:

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[Omaha 680]

The UT spamming on election systems and the responses here are perfect examples of how everyone talks past each other in today's political climate. Often two things can be true at the same time. In this case there are probably elections system vulnerabilities that should be shored up and efforts to make fraud harder should be welcome. Also there is zero evidence of election fraud in 2020 on the scale that would have been needed to steal the election from DJT.