2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

They are not the equivalent of Fox or OAN. It's not close.

I think it’s a hell of a lot closer than you believe. Same dog, different leg.

[Moliere]

They are not the equivalent of Fox or OAN. It's not close.

Nobody said they are even close. I’m just pointing out that the NYT usually doesn’t run a story that would hurt Biden if it clearly isn’t true or necessary. Since they are running it, it’s clear Biden is in a state of decline. He’s a huge liability to the Democratic Party and to the nation. He’s basically doing exactly what RBG did. Holds himself up as the only savior only to be defeated due to an oversized sense of self and it plunges the country into further right wing power.

[Uncle Ted]

There is clearly frustration among the ranks, and it's harder to contain, but both NYT and CNN are better media outlets than Fox News and are willing to break stories that pain Biden in a negative light.

Fox News is very willing to and has been breaking stories that paint Biden in a negative light for some time.

The Dems should have been listening to James Carville who has been saying Grandpa Joe shouldn't run for some time... Of course, I have been telling y'all that Grandpa Joe has serious problems for like forever.

James Carville Issues Blunt Plea To Democratic Donors About Ditching Joe Biden

Longtime Democratic strategist James Carville reportedly urged major Democratic donors to stop stumping up cash for candidates who back Joe Biden’s 2024 run. Pressure continued to mount on the president following his disastrous debate performance against Donald Trump last week.
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Carville last month expressed his concern and frustration that a Biden-Trump rematch would alienate younger voters.

“They feel like two 80-year-old guys don’t mean much to ’em, and I am really afraid that we are going to lose a generation of young people,” he told WABC Radio’s John Catsimatidis. “That’s my greatest fear for the United States, Cat, is that young people are disengaging.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/james...4b0132cb446471

So y'all need to get the Dem parties attention by simply stop giving them money, especially the ones that are backing Biden still.

[falafel]

So you might as well join me in voting for a 3rd party candidate and make your matter as a protest vote.

LOL that's what he said he was doing.

[Uncle Ted]

LOL that's what he said he was doing.

And I’m agreeing with him.

[Uncle Ted]

Keep running Grandpa Joe… you are saving these folks from wasting their money.

Disney heir joins other Democrat backers to pause donations until Joe Biden steps aside


Abigail Disney says choice to suspend donations is based on ‘realism, not disrespect’, and suggests Kamala Harris as an alternative
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...l-disney-pause

[YOhio]

The Conspiracy of Silence to Protect Joe Biden

This was true even in 2020. His face had then an uncanny valley quality that injectable aficionados call “low trust” — if only by millimeters, his cosmetically altered proportions knocked his overall facial harmony into the realm of the improbable. His thin skin, long a figurative problem and now a literal one, was pulled tightly over cheeks that seemed to vary month to month in volume. Under artificial light and in the sunshine, he took on an unnatural gleam. He looked, well, inflated. His eyes were half-shut or open very wide. They appeared darker than they once had, his pupils dilated. He did not blink at regular intervals. The White House often did not engage when questioned about the president’s stare, which sometimes raised alarm on social media when documented in official videos produced by the White House. The administration was above conspiratorial chitchat that entertained seriously scenarios in which the president was suffering from a shocking decline most Americans were not seeing. If the president was being portrayed that way, it was by his political enemies on the right, who promoted through what the press office termed “cheap fakes” a caricature of an addled creature unfit to serve. They would not dignify those people, or people doing the bidding of those people, with a response.

For many inclined to support the president, this was good enough. They did not need to monitor the president’s public appearances, because under his leadership the country had returned to the kind of normal state in which members of a First World democratic society had the privilege to forget about the president for hours or days or even weeks at a time. Trump required constant observation. What did he just do? What would he do next? Oh God, what was he doing right at that moment? Biden could be trusted to perform the duties of his office out of sight. Many people were content to look away.

My heart stopped as I extended my hand to greet the president. I tried to make eye contact, but it was like his eyes, though open, were not on. His face had a waxy quality. He smiled. It was a sweet smile. It made me sad in a way I can’t fully convey. I always thought — and I wrote — that he was a decent man. If ambition was his only sin, and it seemed to be, he had committed no sin at all by the standards of most politicians I had covered. He took my hand in his, and I was startled by how it felt. Not cold but cool. The basement was so warm that people were sweating and complaining that they were sweating. This was a silly black-tie affair. I said “hello.” His sweet smile stayed frozen. He spoke very slowly and in a very soft voice. “And what’s your name?” he asked.

Exiting the room after the photo, the group of reporters — not instigated by me, I should note — made guesses about how dead he appeared to be, percentage wise. “Forty percent?” one of them asked.

“It was a bad night.” That’s the spin from the White House and its allies about Thursday’s debate. But when I watched the president amble stiffly across the stage, my first thought was: He doesn’t look so bad. For months, everything I had heard, plus some of what I had seen, led me to brace for something much more dire.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The really crazy thing is how many people are talking as if he could turn this around. As if he could somehow get better. Dementia isn't reversible. He is not going to magically get younger. He is on a steady decline.

Here he is again, sounding like a dude talking to his nurse in the memory care unit.

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[frank ryan]

The really crazy thing is how many people are talking as if he could turn this around. As if he could somehow get better. Dementia isn't reversible. He is not going to magically get younger. He is on a steady decline.

Here he is again, sounding like a dude talking to his nurse in the memory care unit.

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I agree. It's irresponsible. It's also frankly unkind toward him.

[SeattleUte]

It's going to be Harris. There's a very strong groundswell for her that's building.

[USUC]

It's going to be Harris. There's a very strong groundswell for that's building.

It's also the most logical and constitutionally sound choice. She is the current VP. She is the second in line for the presidency. Also, she was on the ticket during the Democratic Party primary. The primary voters voted for her on the ticket.

The question is if Biden will step down before the election as the POTUS. This is currently an administration being run by committee. Why drag that along as a liability when you could put in Harris to show how she would be as president. Might be the only way for Dems to make ground on Trump.

[PaloAltoCougar]

How can the Dems claim that Trump is an existential threat to democracy (he's not, but would still continue to wreak havoc and harm on our country) and then point to Biden and say, "And this is the best possible response we have to this existential threat"?

[USUC]

Trump is becoming more savvy at politics this go around it seems

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[SeattleUte]

How can the Dems claim that Trump is an existential threat to democracy (he's not, but would still continue to wreak havoc and harm on our country) and then point to Biden and say, "And this is the best possible response we have to this existential threat"?

Many have said this including Ezra Klein and other liberal stalwarts.

I think it's a matter of a few days and he's inevitably gone.

[Moliere]

I’d vote for Harris over Trump, but I highly doubt Harris is going to beat Trump nationwide. She’s a terrible candidate, but also the only real choice for Dems at this point in the game.