I learned in church today

[Jeff Lebowski]

I certainly didn't read Sully's post as an argument for causation. And I didn't read Jacob's as a defense.

Then what is the point of the statement?

[Jeff Lebowski]

I don't think Sully argued that there was causation. But I got the impression that the person at Church probably did. As for Jacob, if his point wasn't to defend the position of the person at Church, then I apologize to him. It seemed to me he was implying that most returned missionaries who leave the Church look at porn. As someone who has left the Church, that offended me. Again, if I'm wrong I apologize.

Jacob is giving you his standard rope-a-dope.

[Jacob]

Jacob is giving you his standard rope-a-dope.

It is my fault for making simple straightforward statements. it is not my fault that some people attempt to read much more into them than what I said.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It is my fault for making simple straightforward statements. it is not my fault that some people attempt to read much more into them than what I said.

I wonder why people so often respond to you in a certain way. I wonder who's fault that is.

[Jacob]

I wonder why people so often respond to you in a certain way. I wonder who's fault that is.

Me too. I blame the dolts who can't understand a simple statement. And can't accept being agreed with.

According to a study at Brigham Young University, 87 percent of men have looked at some form of porn in the past year, and one in five help themselves to X-rated fare daily.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Me too. I blame the dolts who can't understand a simple statement. And can't accept being agreed with.

"Dolts"? I think the answer to the question is getting a little more clear.

[RC Vikings]

I learned that even college professors can't always stay on subject. The lesson was on the priesthood and after all the same questions and answers were out of the way I asked if you had a daughter and she wondered why she couldn't hold the priesthood what would you tell her. It quickly turned into a discussion about women wearing pants to church and how the kids look like hell compared to twenty years ago up on campus. This is a HP group with a least 25 current and retired BYU-I professors. A new move in from Boston attempted to answer the question but I was surprised at where the discussion went. Based on what I heard today the pants to church day didn't accomplish a thing and change will always be very slow in the church.

[pellegrino]

I learned that even college professors can't always stay on subject. The lesson was on the priesthood and after all the same questions and answers were out of the way I asked if you had a daughter and she wondered why she couldn't hold the priesthood what would you tell her. It quickly turned into a discussion about women wearing pants to church and how the kids look like hell compared to twenty years ago up on campus. This is a HP group with a least 25 current and retired BYU-I professors. A new move in from Boston attempted to answer the question but I was surprised at where the discussion went. Based on what I heard today the pants to church day didn't accomplish a thing and change will always be very slow in the church.

"trickle up" change in the church is slow unless leaders pick up on it and adopt the change as their own. Top down change can be very rapid and decisive.

[clackamascoug]

I learned that even college professors can't always stay on subject. The lesson was on the priesthood and after all the same questions and answers were out of the way I asked if you had a daughter and she wondered why she couldn't hold the priesthood what would you tell her. It quickly turned into a discussion about women wearing pants to church and how the kids look like hell compared to twenty years ago up on campus. This is a HP group with a least 25 current and retired BYU-I professors. A new move in from Boston attempted to answer the question but I was surprised at where the discussion went. Based on what I heard today the pants to church day didn't accomplish a thing and change will always be very slow in the church.

You guys are tough... a "new" move in. The guys been there since 2005.

[Pelado]

Then what is the point of the statement?

As NS has observed, whoever connected porn to atheists likely intended to imply and/or explicitly state causation of the latter by the former. Sully's point in posting was likely to mock the implication of causation. The point of Jacon's post was likely to point out that the statistic may not be far off in spite of the faulty implication of causation. In other words, the assertion that viewing porn doesn't necessarily convert believers into atheists doesn't preclude atheists (or anyone else) from having viewed pornography.

[Paperback Writer]

Combined third hour was an ad-hoc meeting by a bishopric counselor on "testimony correlation". We were preached to, in detail, on what constitutes a testimony and what does not. For instance, merely expressing thanks for one's blessings is not appropriate when bearing one's testimony. Rather, one's testimony needs to include knowledge of the topics mentioned in temple interview questions.

Since over half of the testimones on open-mic Sunday are by primary children in my ward, I asked if there should be an exception for kids. The answer was that it was OK for children to express their thanks for their families but they should "be taught" to bear testimony correctly. I'm perplexed. How could a 6-year old possbily know that ours is the "only true church"?

Since it was a combined meeting with YM/YW, I was asked afterward by my YW daughter if she had to mention all those things even if she wasn't sure about some of them? I just replied, just talk about what's in your heart...and that she would earn bonus points by mentioning how great her Mom was.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Combined third hour was an ad-hoc meeting by a bishopric counselor on "testimony correlation". We were preached to, in detail, on what constitutes a testimony and what does not. For instance, merely expressing thanks for one's blessings is not appropriate when bearing one's testimony. Rather, one's testimony needs to include knowledge of the topics mentioned in temple interview questions.

Since over half of the testimones on open-mic Sunday are by primary children in my ward, I asked if there should be an exception for kids. The answer was that it was OK for children to express their thanks for their families but they should "be taught" to bear testimony correctly. I'm perplexed. How could a 6-year old possbily know that ours is the "only true church"?

Since it was a combined meeting with YM/YW, I was asked afterward by my YW daughter if she had to mention all those things even if she wasn't sure about some of them? I just replied, just talk about what's in your heart...and that she would earn bonus points by mentioning how great her Mom was.

Testimony correlation?

Yes, that is all we need. More uniformity and less individuality in our testimony bearing.

[LA Ute]

Combined third hour was an ad-hoc meeting by a bishopric counselor on "testimony correlation". We were preached to, in detail, on what constitutes a testimony and what does not. For instance, merely expressing thanks for one's blessings is not appropriate when bearing one's testimony. Rather, one's testimony needs to include knowledge of the topics mentioned in temple interview questions.

Since over half of the testimones on open-mic Sunday are by primary children in my ward, I asked if there should be an exception for kids. The answer was that it was OK for children to express their thanks for their families but they should "be taught" to bear testimony correctly. I'm perplexed. How could a 6-year old possbily know that ours is the "only true church"?

Since it was a combined meeting with YM/YW, I was asked afterward by my YW daughter if she had to mention all those things even if she wasn't sure about some of them? I just replied, just talk about what's in your heart...and that she would earn bonus points by mentioning how great her Mom was.

I do think people need to be reminded, gently, from time to time that there are better ways to bear testimony in sacrament meeting. Singing, travelogues, looonnnng testimonies, confessions, etc., will always be with us but I'd sure like to keep them at a minimum. Sounds like your guy went too far. Kind of like a relative of mine who routinely chastised people for ending prayers "in Jesus' name." She thought it was essential to add "Christ." Give me a break.

[Donuthole]

Combined third hour was an ad-hoc meeting by a bishopric counselor on "testimony correlation". We were preached to, in detail, on what constitutes a testimony and what does not. For instance, merely expressing thanks for one's blessings is not appropriate when bearing one's testimony. Rather, one's testimony needs to include knowledge of the topics mentioned in temple interview questions.

Since over half of the testimones on open-mic Sunday are by primary children in my ward, I asked if there should be an exception for kids. The answer was that it was OK for children to express their thanks for their families but they should "be taught" to bear testimony correctly. I'm perplexed. How could a 6-year old possbily know that ours is the "only true church"?

Since it was a combined meeting with YM/YW, I was asked afterward by my YW daughter if she had to mention all those things even if she wasn't sure about some of them? I just replied, just talk about what's in your heart...and that she would earn bonus points by mentioning how great her Mom was.

Texas is weird.

[Moliere]

Testimony correlation?

Yes, that is all we need. More uniformity and less individuality in our testimony bearing.