Utah Recruiting

[LA Ute]

Yeah, that's what it is.

And besides, the streets are wider and cleaner in Salt Lake.*

*MBN had me, so I took the only honorable course I could: I changed the subject and began a filibuster.

[SeattleUte]

Please do go on. I'd love to hear it. ASU has better facilities, a coach who has not one but two national championships as a coach, while your coach has earned one playing at BYU. ASU is in a better location in a bigger city with much a much larger recruiting pool along with being closer to southern California. ASU has better weather. ASU has a better campus situation with hotter co-eds and my guess is deeper pockets. I'd even question the tradition and academics claim. Utah is just now leaving behind the weak while ASU blazed the trail 40 years ago. If you mean traditions since 2004, then yes. Utah has more tradition.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think ASU is like a community college on steroids. It has done almost nothing on the gridiron since Frank Kush. Its basketaball has sucked since WAC days. I think Tempe/Phoenix is Cleveland of the American West, but Cleveland has nicer neighborhoods. There are probably a lot more right wing crazies and wacky venomous ideas about race there than in Utah. Mountains. Weather. I could go on.

[Surfah]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think ASU is like a community college on steroids. It has done almost nothing on the gridiron since Frank Kush. Its basketaball has sucked since WAC days. I think Tempe/Phoenix is Cleveland of the American West, but Cleveland has nicer neighborhoods. There are probably a lot more right wing crazies and wacky venomous ideas about race there than in Utah. Mountains. Weather. I could go on.

That is Utah. Also, mountains was probably your strongest argument.

[TripletDaddy]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think ASU is like a community college on steroids. It has done almost nothing on the gridiron since Frank Kush. Its basketaball has sucked since WAC days. I think Tempe/Phoenix is Cleveland of the American West, but Cleveland has nicer neighborhoods. There are probably a lot more right wing crazies and wacky venomous ideas about race there than in Utah. Mountains. Weather. I could go on.

You are definitely speaking to the PAC 10 party line with that argument. As you know, PAC fans have long derided ASU, Arizona, Wazzou, Oregon State (and to some extent Oregon) for paltry academics.

It would be interesting to see quantifiable data to verify how ASU stacks up against the U. Since both are state schools, admissions statistics would likely be similarly unimpressive. How about total national championships, research endowment, Sears Cup or similar rankings for total sports programs, etc.? I haven't looked into this so I have no idea how the schools compare.

Phoenix is an ugly place, though, second only to Las Vegas in the West. I think athletically, ASU is like more accomplished because all the PAC schools have fleshed out olympic programs whereas Utah does not, at least not yet. They certainly will over time, no doubt.

When I was a Senior in HS, I remember considering colleges and heading up to the 'Vo for Y Weekend. One of my friends was going to Tempe that very same weekend with his family. When we returned from our collective trips, I informed him that I had been accepted at BYU and found out over the course of the trip. He told me that he and his parents drove to ASU, paid a fee, and was accepted at the school.....all while standing in line in the administration building.

[SeattleUte]

You are definitely speaking to the PAC 10 party line with that argument. As you know, PAC fans have long derided ASU, Arizona, Wazzou, Oregon State (and to some extent Oregon) for paltry academics.

It would be interesting to see quantifiable data to verify how ASU stacks up against the U. Since both are state schools, admissions statistics would likely be similarly unimpressive. How about total national championships, research endowment, Sears Cup or similar rankings for total sports programs, etc.? I haven't looked into this so I have no idea how the schools compare.

Phoenix is an ugly place, though, second only to Las Vegas in the West. I think athletically, ASU is like more accomplished because all the PAC schools have fleshed out olympic programs whereas Utah does not, at least not yet. They certainly will over time, no doubt.

When I was a Senior in HS, I remember considering colleges and heading up to the 'Vo for Y Weekend. One of my friends was going to Tempe that very same weekend with his family. When we returned from our collective trips, I informed him that I had been accepted at BYU and found out over the course of the trip. He told me that he and his parents drove to ASU, paid a fee, and was accepted at the school.....all while standing in line in the administration building.

Per Wikipedia, Utah's endowment is bigger, 514M compared to 400M. But since they are both public schools their primary endowment is the state, and neither invested endowment is huge for the school size. This is common. But Utah has a med school and more developed graduate programs. The law school are comparable per US News.

ASU is the word's biggest party school. And yes, Phoenix yuck!

[Top Ute]

Per Wikipedia, Utah's endowment is bigger, 514M compared to 400M. But since they are both public schools their primary endowment is the state, and neither invested endowment is huge for the school size. This is common. But Utah has a med school and more developed graduate programs. The law school are comparable per US News.

ASU is the word's biggest party school. And yes, Phoenix yuck!

All nice figures, but I'd favor leveling the playing field somewhat if we could get Vontaze Burfict for a year or two.

[myboynoah]

You are definitely speaking to the PAC 10 party line with that argument. As you know, PAC fans have long derided ASU, Arizona, Wazzou, Oregon State (and to some extent Oregon) for paltry academics.

It would be interesting to see quantifiable data to verify how ASU stacks up against the U. Since both are state schools, admissions statistics would likely be similarly unimpressive. How about total national championships, research endowment, Sears Cup or similar rankings for total sports programs, etc.? I haven't looked into this so I have no idea how the schools compare.

Good question.

Here's one answer which also places Duke of the West into the equation (LA opened the door).

http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.php?p=286647&postcount=299

Utah, two places above Tier 3, only outranks OSU in the new PAC 12. Ironically, that honor was previously held by ASU. Why all this rancor against ASU? Utah and ASU are very comparable academically, with ASU holding a slight edge.

[UtahDan]

Good question.

Here's one answer which also places Duke of the West into the equation (LA opened the door).

http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.php?p=286647&postcount=299

Utah, two places above Tier 3, only outranks OSU in the new PAC 12. Ironically, that honor was previously held by ASU. Why all this rancor against ASU? Utah and ASU are very comparable academically, with ASU holding a slight edge.

This does not include grad schools does it?

[LA Ute]

Good question.

Here's one answer which also places Duke of the West into the equation (LA opened the door).

http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.php?p=286647&postcount=299

Utah, two places above Tier 3, only outranks OSU in the new PAC 12. Ironically, that honor was previously held by ASU. Why all this rancor against ASU? Utah and ASU are very comparable academically, with ASU holding a slight edge.

Well, since 5 of the PAC's current 10 members apparently think the other 5 don't measure up academically, we should fit right in. If Colorado is allowed into the "academically acceptable" camp and Utah isn't, a perfectly even balance will continue. I love being in an egalitarian conference.

[myboynoah]

This does not include grad schools does it?

Does Utah recruit graduate students for its football team? That would be one crazy strategy.

[LA Ute]

Does Utah recruit graduate students for its football team? That would be one crazy strategy.

Ooh! A first-rate dodge! Grudging admiration have I!

[SeattleUte]

Good question.

Here's one answer which also places Duke of the West into the equation (LA opened the door).

http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.php?p=286647&postcount=299

Utah, two places above Tier 3, only outranks OSU in the new PAC 12. Ironically, that honor was previously held by ASU. Why all this rancor against ASU? Utah and ASU are very comparable academically, with ASU holding a slight edge.

UTAH IS TIER 1. There is not that much difference between Utah and BYU and Utah has to be more permissive to instaters and BYU has no graduate schools. (I'm not addressing this any more; there is plenty on the board about it. The proof is in the pudding; the Pac took us not BYU.)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/salt-lake-city-ut/university-of-utah-3675

[myboynoah]

Ooh! A first-rate dodge! Grudging admiration have I!

That's high praise coming from you.

I'm sure the data is out there. I invite you to find it and provide it to the recruits currently on the fence.

[myboynoah]

UTAH IS TIER 1. There is not that much difference between Utah and BYU and Utah has to be more permissive to instaters and BYU has no graduate schools. (I'm not addressing this any more; there is plenty on the board about it. The proof is in the pudding; the Pac took us not BYU.)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...y-of-utah-3675

I did a comparison. Utah is moving up. Good for you guys! Hurry, send this to all those recruits trying to decide between ASU and UofU.

BYU versus ASU versus Utah

[TripletDaddy]

Speaking of actual Utah recruiting, any word on Henderson? Pomee isnt happening for the Utes but any vibe on what Henderson will do?