Penn State pedophilia

[TripletDaddy]

What we know of the grand jury report does sound horrible. But actually Paterno is right; the legal process needs to do its thing before people pass final judgment. This is one major thing that makes America special, after all.
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Also, it's as if some people's primary reaction to this is to use it to try to ruin Paterno's reputation. This allegedly horrific situation doesn't really appear to be about Joe Paterno. Finally, there's nothing about Paterno's statement that makes me think they're acting like Penn State football is a religion.

I understand the temptation of excited reporters to extrapolate this into a story about Paterno, the one truly famous character anywhere near the scene of the alleged crime, and who is actually the stuff of legends. But, in fact, Paterno didn't sexually molest anyone.
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The story is in fact not about Paterno, strictly speaking, whether or not he is guilty of a terrible lapse in judgment in a discrete instance. If someone wants to turn this into a morality play about Joe Paterno's tragic downfall at the end of his career they should wait unitl the evidence is in and the (trial) jury has decided the underlying case.

You continue to bandwagon and add to the rush to judment in this tragic story. Does it make you feel better? The AD was placed on administrative leave, probably paid by the university, so he could focus on saving his liberty. The adminstrator, who is 62, volumtarily returned to retirement. They maintain their innocense and the university is paying for their defenses, which means that the university is presuming them innocent until convicted, which is what it should do.

[SeattleUte]

Pretzel logic here. Paterno's lies are the crucial context of my original comments.

I took Paterno's word for it which is what any civil libertarian should do. I was offended by your rush to judgment based on a sport's reporter's column. Since then your continuous agenda has been to minimize USC's malfeasance by comparison. Disgraceful.

(No victims have been able to implicate Paterno per se.)

I won't apologize for believing Paterno's lies until the process played itself out. Now, the evidence is in, the judgements have been rendered, it's time for condemnations. (Nor do I gree that Penn State's crimes have anything to do with USC's malfeasance.)

I have no regrets.

No, 3D, there's nothing about this human tragedy that mitigates USC's fraudulence and cheating.

[Solon]

Also, as pointed out, these are losses of scholarships, not roster spots. How many kids at PSU will simply pay their tuition and play? It costs 30k a year to attend SC. How much does it costs to go to a state school in pennsylvania?

It's pretty pricey. For non-residents, it's between 27 & 30K per year depending on major and class status.

http://tuition.psu.edu/tuitiondynami...on=up#up-NonPA

I am very very glad that I chose Tulane over Penn State for my doctorate.

C'mon. That's ridiculous. Comp Lit had nothing to do with this.

You're glad you chose Tulane, though, because then you didn't have to work with Kadir.

[Top Ute]

Are you being serious? Do you personally know any Penn State grads?

Went to high school with two, worked with a third as recently as two years ago.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I am very very glad that I chose Tulane over Penn State for my doctorate.

That's a low blow. There is nothing wrong with a Penn State PhD.

[DrumNFeather]

LaVar Arrington:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...qg4W_blog.html

[falafel]

That's a low blow. There is nothing wrong with a Penn State PhD.

Of course there isn't. But at least wuap doesn't have to deal with all the questions.

[TripletDaddy]

I have no regrets.

No, 3D, there's nothing about this human tragedy that mitigates USC's fraudulence and cheating.

You are as genuine a civil libertarian as you are an apostate. These Penn Staters have had no trial. The legal process hasn't run its course, it has barely begun. You are like the guy that is burning or standing on the Constitution in those nutty religious paintings.

[DrumNFeather]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if a school takes a PSU player, they will not count against the scholarship total for this year.

[TripletDaddy]

Went to high school with two, worked with a third as recently as two years ago.

Do you know any members of the Board of Trustees? because they seem pretty invested in the football team.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.UA2X4bTz4pU

Lubrano, a financial planner, graduated magna cum laude with an accounting degree from Penn State in 1982. He had been one of the harshest critics of the Board as a non-member after it fired Joe Paterno last November in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky pedophilia scandal that rocked the Big Ten institution. During his campaign to become a trustee last spring, Lubrano purchased television time and included as part of his campaign a "Joe Paterno tribute."

Meanwhile, a group called Penn Staters for Responsible Stewardship, issued a statement Monday that, in part, blamed the Board for the NCAA's severe punishment.

"To rely upon such a report to issue punishment is beyond reckless, and should not be supported in any way by the leadership of Penn State," said the group. "By agreeing to these sanctions, every single member of the Penn State Board of Trustees has blatantly failed in their fiduciary responsibilities to the University. With each passing hour, we are gaining additional alumni support in our demand to have them resign immediately."

[OrangeUte]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...board-trustees

Graham Spanier wants to be heard.

[Solon]

Paterno stripped of his Gerald Ford award.
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/2...ld-r-ford.html

There's a Gerald Ford award?

For what? Stagflation and pardoning paranoid criminals in the highest echelons of power.

Maybe that's one they should let him keep.

[TripletDaddy]

Standing up to Paterno and the "Penn State Way"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/15/us/tri...ate/index.html

[SeattleUte]

You are as genuine a civil libertarian as you are an apostate. These Penn Staters have had no trial. The legal process hasn't run its course, it has barely begun. You are like the guy that is burning or standing on the Constitution in those nutty religious paintings.

You have no instinct for this kind of thing. It's all so black and white and agenda driven for you.

As a civil libertarian I'm satisfied that the Freeh Report represents due process in terms of appropriate NCAA sanctions and the status of Joe Paterno's legacy (Penn State itself hired and paid Freeh for this didn't it? I don't hear anyone that matters from Penn State complaining that Freeh was unfair to Penn State). These issues are what my most recent comments have addressed.

So much for for the status of Penn State's once vaunted football program and tradition and Paterno's legacy.

As for the individuals who allegedly aided and abetted or facilitated Sandusky's crimes, insofar as their incarceration or not is concerned, they will be tried and they are still entitled to a presumption of innocense. Regardless, in terms of what is true insofar as the impact on Penn State's football program and Paterno's legacy, the Freeh report is due process.

There are some fine distinctions here that are nevertheless crucial. But even a tax lawyer should be able to grasp them. Let me know if I can answer any further questions.

[TripletDaddy]

You have no instinct for this kind of thing. It's all so black and white and agenda driven for you.

As a civil libertarian I'm satisfied that the Freeh Report represents due process in terms of appropriate NCAA sanctions and the status of Joe Paterno's legacy (Penn State itself hired and paid Freeh for this didn't it? I don't hear anyone that matters from Penn State complaining that Freeh was unfair to Penn State). These issues are what my most recent comments have addressed.

So much for for the status of Penn State's once vaunted football program and tradition and Paterno's legacy.

As for the individuals who allegedly aided and abetted or facilitated Sandusky's crimes, insofar as their incarceration or not is concerned, they will be tried and they are still entitled to a presumption of innocense. Regardless, in terms of what is true insofar as the impact on Penn State's football program and Paterno's legacy, the Freeh report is due process.

There are some fine distinctions here that are nevertheless crucial. But even a tax lawyer should be able to grasp them. Let me know if I can answer any further questions.

You seem to be agreeing with what I was saying from Day 1, so to that extent, no further questions. As I told you before, next time just follow my lead.