Penn State pedophilia

[SeattleUte]

Please expound. This is news to me. Thanks.

Where do you think it's coming from? Women's basketball? Federal research grants or contracts?

I forgot to mention the 14 years of forfeited wins. That seems to be what the Penn State zealots are most upset about and it was aimed right at Paterno's legacy.

[SeattleUte]

I predict otherwise. There are a lot of differences between SMU of 1987 and PSU of 2012.
1. SMU is a small private school; PSU is a large public one. Because of it's size, SMU struggled to compete with Texas, Texas A&M, and Arkansas and their resorting to cheating and paying players was a direct result.
2. SMU did not have very good football facilitis. In the heyday in the 1980s, they played in Cowboy Stadium in Irving. PSU has excellent football facilities in Happy Valley.
3. SMU lost it's conference when the SWC disbanned. The Big Ten is keeping PSU around.
4. Penn St. will continue to be a top destination school for in state and area talent. They have some of the top facilities in the country and are located in an area with a lot of football talent. PSU also draws from east coast talent. Sure those players will have other options but PSU will still draw talent. On the other hand, SMU was never in a competitive postion in relation to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and whoever else was recruiting Dallas, Houston, and the rest of the state.

While I hope football is de-emphasized at PSU and elsewhere, I don't think PSU will fall off the same cliff as SMU. PSU has tradition, facilities, and advantages that SMU never had. PSU football will be back sooner rather than later but a lot of that depends upon the quality of coaching. No one was sure what would happen to PSU football after JoePa retired. It is not easy to follow a legend. Because of PSU's probation, I would think HC Bill O'Brien will have a better chance of succeeding than others. There are not a lot of data points to compare Joe Paterno's era at Penn St. Some that come to mind are Lavell Edwards-BYU, Tom Osborne-Nebraska, Bear Bryant-Alabama, Bobby Bowden-FSU. If O'Brien is given the chance I think he will be given and if he is a good college HC, Penn St. will be back in less than a decade.

Penn State was like Ohio U before Paterno.

[DU Ute]

I'd call any coach who allowed my program to get hit with these kinds of sanctions and wallow in mediocrity for years a bad coach. Penn State fans have no one but JoPa to blame for what could be decades of ineptitude.

[Paperback Writer]

Penn State was like Ohio U before Paterno.

..and like the Ohio State U. after Paterno.

[CJF]

Where do you think it's coming from? Women's basketball? Federal research grants or contracts?

[SeattleUte]

..and like the Ohio State U. after Paterno.

I don't know what you guys want. I would be against an injunction forbidding donations to pay the penalty, for the record. I'm not sure that would even be constitutional. Apparently the Supreme Court has concluded donations are speech.

[CJF]

I don't know what you guys want. I would be against an injunction forbidding donations to pay the penalty, for the record. I'm not sure that would even be constitutional. Apparently the Supreme Court has concluded donations are speech.

How about no fine and the program is put on a two year hiatus. Having donors foot the bill does very little to change the culture problem within the university. Killing football for a couple of years would.

[YOhio]

Where do you think it's coming from? Women's basketball? Federal research grants or contracts?

NO! Paying NCAA fines would be an unallowable cost under 2 CFR 215. The last thing Penn State needs right now is an IG looking at their federal grant and contract compliance and risking debarment.

[SeattleUte]

How about no fine and the program is put on a two year hiatus. Having donors foot the bill does very little to change the culture problem within the university. Killing football for a couple of years would.

Wow. you're pretty synical. I think getting donors to pay this is a tough sell.

Regardless, it means less donations for practice facilities, etc.

[CJF]

Wow. you're pretty synical. I think getting donors to pay this is a tough sell.

Regardless, it means less donations for practice facilities, etc.

Ok, you got me. I thought you were being serious. Thanks for letting me off your trolling hook.

[TripletDaddy]

Where do you think it's coming from? Women's basketball? Federal research grants or contracts?

lol. so in other words, you made that up. Simply provide a cite, thanks.

[TripletDaddy]

State Farm sez: we are no longer a good neighbor
Pepsi sez: even shameful institutions that facilitate child abuse gotsta get their drink on!

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...hip-penn-state

"As a result of all the activity that's happening, we decided to pull the sponsorship to continue to show our support for the victims," State Farm spokeswoman Arlene Lester said. "We have decided to cancel our football sponsorship for the coming season, but will remain sponsors for all the other (Penn State) teams we support."

Conversely, Pepsi announced Tuesday that it will continue its advertising and sponsorship of Penn State.

"We are deeply disturbed by the findings of the investigation and the conduct of certain individuals at Penn State University, but will continue to honor our longstanding contract as a campus provider," the soft-drink manufacturer said in a statement.

[TripletDaddy]

Link to the Consent Agreement. An interesting, brief read.

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0723/p...onclusions.pdf

There are no limitations or restrictions on the source of funding for the $60MM penalty, save that "no current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

The NCAA obviously agrees with me.

[SeattleUte]

Link to the Consent Agreement. An interesting, brief read.

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0723/p...onclusions.pdf

There are no limitations or restrictions on the source of funding for the $60MM penalty, save that "no current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."

The NCAA obviously agrees with me.

2 CFR 215

[Paperback Writer]

I don't know what you guys want. I would be against an injunction forbidding donations to pay the penalty, for the record. I'm not sure that would even be constitutional. Apparently the Supreme Court has concluded donations are speech.

I'm of the minority opinion here. I'm OK with the penalities levied against Penn St.