Penn State pedophilia

[SeattleUte]

I'm of the minority opinion here. I'm OK with the penalities levied against Penn St.

You may be in the minority here, but most people agree with us.

[Guest]

The Fine is nothing. The NCAA is allowing Penn St. to pay it over the course of its probation which accounts to $15 million a year. The Big Ten also fined them $13 million. In my opinion, this fine should have been tripled as it will not hurt the program in the slightest. Penn State will still get to be on TV which is a travesty and will also get the TV revenue from the Big Ten Network.

The scholarship reduction will hurt Penn State the most along with allowing the current players to transfer at any time over the next four years which means the coach will need to constantly recruit the kids he has today to keep them there. With 2-3 weeks until the start of fall camp, I don't see many leaving this season but next season we could see a Mass exodus. I would not be surprised to see Penn State go from winning 8-9 wins this year to 1-2 wins in 2013.

What a legacy that JoePA left behind. My only wish was that he was still alive today to see the carnage and devastation that will now be Penn State Football. I do feel bad for the kids of the program but I do not feel bad for the program itself.

May Penn State football wallow in the shit of futility for many years to come!

[Indy Coug]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24...ons/?hpt=hp_c1

Former Penn State President Graham Spanier said he would never have ignored accusations of child sex abuse on campus because, among other things, he "personally experienced massive and persistent abuse as a child," according to a letter he sent to the school's board of trustees.

"It is unfathomable and illogical to think that a respected family sociologist and family therapist, someone who personally experienced massive and persistent abuse as a child, someone who devoted a significant portion of his career to the welfare of children and youth... would have knowingly turned a blind eye to any report of child abuse or predatory sexual acts directed at children," Spanier said in the letter - which was dated Sunday and obtained by CNN Tuesday.

While Spanier has not been criminally charged in the case, an investigation by ex-FBI chief Louis Freeh concluded that he helped university officials conceal allegations of sexual abuse against the former assistant football coach.

Spanier disputes these findings in his letter, saying "at no time during my presidency did anyone ever report to me that Jerry Sandusky was observed abusing a child or youth or engaged in a sexual act with a child or youth."

[kimchicoug]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24...ons/?hpt=hp_c1

The plot thickens... Of course, if he knew nothing about it then that clearly demonstrates lack on institutional control.

[Viking]

One of these culprits is going to end up swinging from a rope or putting a gun in their mouth...

[Green Monstah]

One of these culprits is going to end up swinging from a rope or putting a gun in their mouth...

HottieCoug?

Clueless?

Who hacked Vike's account?

Edit: You're sorely missed, Vike.

[Commando]

HottieCoug?

Clueless?

Who hacked Vike's account?

Edit: You're sorely missed, Vike.

Did you miss the memo? He's back, but only in the non-controversial categories.

[Green Monstah]

Did you miss the memo? He's back, but only in the non-controversial categories.

Apparently.

[ERCougar]

I haven't followed this as closely as most of you, so maybe you can answer this: How does the NCAA have the power to levy a fine when none of its rules were broken? I'm not justifying anything that PSU did, but the fine doesn't make any sense to me. If I go rob a bank, I could lose my medical license, but the state medical board couldn't impose additional fines. How is the NCAA different?

[All-American]

I haven't followed this as closely as most of you, so maybe you can answer this: How does the NCAA have the power to levy a fine when none of its rules were broken? I'm not justifying anything that PSU did, but the fine doesn't make any sense to me. If I go rob a bank, I could lose my medical license, but the state medical board couldn't impose additional fines. How is the NCAA different?

Its rules were broken. That's how.

[SeattleUte]

I haven't followed this as closely as most of you, so maybe you can answer this: How does the NCAA have the power to levy a fine when none of its rules were broken? I'm not justifying anything that PSU did, but the fine doesn't make any sense to me. If I go rob a bank, I could lose my medical license, but the state medical board couldn't impose additional fines. How is the NCAA different?

It's kind of like a marriage. Penn State needs the NCAA, it cares about its reputation, Penn State in fact is very much part of the NCAA corpus. It's not going to make these kinds of distinctions. There's a lot of symbiosis going on in this penalty.

There's a reason the universities submit to the NCAA. They ARE the NCAA. They created the NCAA to police themselves, their own athletic departments, to save their own souls. The only people who complain about the NCAA are cheating coaches and idiot fans who think universities are all about DI athletics.

[SeattleUte]

In fact, it's interesting how the dialogue has changed. I'm hearing so much " the NCAA needs to get tougher" these days. In fact, DI sports depends upon the universities' brands, which may be the most respected brands in the world. This scandal shows how DI football run amok can damage that brand.

[Solon]

I haven't followed this as closely as most of you, so maybe you can answer this: How does the NCAA have the power to levy a fine when none of its rules were broken? I'm not justifying anything that PSU did, but the fine doesn't make any sense to me. If I go rob a bank, I could lose my medical license, but the state medical board couldn't impose additional fines. How is the NCAA different?

The NCAA is claiming authority under the "ethics" clauses of its rulebook. As Emmert said before the sanctions came out,

"deceitful and dishonest behavior" could be considered a violation of ethics rules. So, too, could a failure to exhibit moral values.

So, that's the justification. It's a big step in extending the NCAA's authority, made even more significant (IMO) because the NCAA suspended its usual due process procedures.

[TripletDaddy]

I haven't followed this as closely as most of you, so maybe you can answer this: How does the NCAA have the power to levy a fine when none of its rules were broken? I'm not justifying anything that PSU did, but the fine doesn't make any sense to me. If I go rob a bank, I could lose my medical license, but the state medical board couldn't impose additional fines. How is the NCAA different?

The NCAA is a member institution. If you want to be a member, you agree to abide by its rules and its jurisdiction. The NCAA is not bound by precedent. It can do whatever it wants to do.

Penn State was free to reject the punishment offered up by the NCAA, but it would risk (and likely lose) its membership in doing so.

[SeattleUte]

The NCAA is claiming authority under the "ethics" clauses of its rulebook. As Emmert said before the sanctions came out,

So, that's the justification. It's a big step in extending the NCAA's authority, made even more significant (IMO) because the NCAA suspended its usual due process procedures.

This was more like a settlement than an adjudication. Penn State is not contesting the NCAA's authority, and you are correct, a good lawyer could make a convincing argument that Penn State didn't violate any NCAA rules. Obviously, that approach would be a PR disaster for Penn State whatever the outcome. Penn State laid down and let the NCAA kick it; due process, rules broken, was not the focus. This is one reason Emmert issued, in his words, a "tightly focused" punishment.