Penn State pedophilia

[lambdacoug]

But Paterno never gave the legal process a chance to do its thing; he sat on eyewitness testimony of Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the Penn lockerroom showers. So when it blows up in his face, he says to let the process happen. When he stifled and suppressed the legal process for 20 years, he wasn't interested in letting it happen.

I believe this is why Paterno never let Sandusky take over. Paterno was content to let Sandusky carry out his rapes and molestations in Paterno's lockerroom, but he was going to deny Sandusky the ultimate prize because Paterno was more concerned about his football program than saving multiple young boys. Rapes could happen all day long with 10 year old boys, but rapes could never sully any head coach of his program.

As naive as she was for meeting with Sandusky and demanding that he promise never to shower with young boys again, at least the mother of one of the victims tried to protect future victions. Paterno never made any such threat to Sandusky; stop or I will fire you. Or I will fire you whether you stop or not. Paterno sheltered and promoted Sandusky over a 20 year period, knowing what he was doing.

I find it amazing that Paterno did not contact police. He told his boss, wow. If I ever witness something like that, I'll be sure to tell me boss. Then when shit hits the fan, I can throw my hands up and say "Hey, I told my boss and he didn't do anything." I don't care who you are, if you see something like this, then you tell your boss after you call the police, not in lieu of calling the police. Everyone that had knowledge of this and failed to contact the police share responsibility for allowing rape to occur. I don't know all the facts and all the people involved, but I'm disgusted that anyone would have knowledge of this and not take steps to protect the innocent. It stinks to high heaven and JoePa reputation and the PSU football program's reputation are rightfully sullied. He could have salvaged both reps by being proactive in holding Sandusky's feet to the fire and getting the authorities involved. Are you kidding me? The program and JoePa would have reaped a shit ton of praise for protecting the innocent young boys. Instead, they enabled further rape and abuse. I just can't wrap my head around that. So fucking disgusting.

[Devildog]

Live Coug posted a story where Joe Pa gives his statement about what he knew and why he did what he did.

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...43&postcount=5

“As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."

[SeattleUte]

At this point is there any evidence that Paterno knew the extent other than the 2002 incident which is after Sandusky retired? And even there the grand jury report leaves it up in the air as to how specific the GA was with Paterno.

I just don't think it is clear that he knew about it or covered it up.

Exactly. And a Grand Jury "report" or return of an indictment or whatever happened here is not proof of anything.

Even the two Penn State administrators who have been indicted have been indicted for lying to the Grand Jury about what they did or did not do in response to the information about abuse, not for what they did or did not do. Apparently what they did or did not do was not a crime.

[Katy Lied]

Not quite sure why the employment status of the perp is relevant to the decision not to go to police.

If anything, the fact that Sandusky was retired should make JoePa even more motivated to go to the police. This is not something he could work out in his employee evaluation plan.

[TripletDaddy]

You continue to bandwagon and add to the rush to judment in this tragic story. Does it make you feel better? The AD was placed on administrative leave, probably paid by the university, so he could focus on saving his liberty. The adminstrator, who is 62, volumtarily returned to retirement. They maintain their innocense and the university is paying for their defenses, which means that the university is presuming them innocent until convicted, which is what it should do.

You think the university presumes they are innocent?

JoePa has dirty hands here any way you slice it.

Asst Coach: Coach Paterno, I just saw a naked Sandusky in the shower with a naked little boy, after hours, and nobody else was around. It looks like they were "horsing around."

JoePa: OK, thanks. I guess Im supposed to tell the AD, which I will do tomorrow. Then I will do nothing more. Back to work for all of us. I've done my duty.

JoePa will step down now, as he should. This is way too big for the school to survive the media onslaught. And at best, JoePa exhibited a horrible lapse in judgment. He should have done more and by his own admission, and yours, he did the minimum required and left it at that.

[TripletDaddy]

Not quite sure why the employment status of the perp is relevant to the decision not to go to police.

If anything, the fact that Sandusky was retired should make JoePa even more motivated to go to the police. This is not something he could work out in his employee evaluation plan.

Katy Lied = truth.

[dabrockster]

Live Coug posted a story where Joe Pa gives his statement about what he knew and why he did what he did.

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...43&postcount=5

Yet, What JoePa SHOULD of done was instructed his GA to report this to the Police and they wold also go to the PSU Admin as well. It is obvious the GA had many things crossing his mind when this happened. Distraught over what he saw, Who it was, what he should do, Loss of his coaching job... Which is why he went to JoePa in the first place. The Coach fell into line and slowly moved up the coaching line at PSU.

This whole things wreaks...

[Katy Lied]

Even the two Penn State administrators who have been indicted have been indicted for lying to the Grand Jury about what they did or did not do in response to the information about abuse, not for what they did or did not do.

Then why did they lie to the grand jury? They lied because they know that they broke the law by not reporting, or by hushing the police investigation. They are trying to avoid future prosecution. They havent been indicted for that... yet. This indictment was for Sandusky.

No one lies if they are innocent and did nothing wrong.

[TripletDaddy]

Yet, What JoePa SHOULD of done was instructed his GA to report this to the Police and they wold also go to the PSU Admin as well. It is obvious the GA had many things crossing his mind when this happened. Distraught over what he saw, Who it was, what he should do, Loss of his coaching job... Which is why he went to JoePa in the first place. The Coach fell into line and slowly moved up the coaching line at PSU.

This whole things wreaks...

Apparently if SeattleUte learned of such horrid behavior, he would do the minimum required by law and then let the rest play out on its own...including letting the perpetrator continue to have access to the team, facilities, etc.

And he would feel entirely justified in the process because he had complied with the minimum standards of behavior. Bully for SeattleUte.

[woot]

It seems extremely unlikely that Paterno wasn't aware of the allegations against Sandusky from 1998. When new accusations arose in 2002 and Paterno did very little about it, it paints a picture that could be pretty damning, despite Paterno ostensibly doing nothing overtly wrong in this case.

Many have said that the reason Sandusky retired in 1999 was to avoid the repercussions of the allegations. Paterno had to have known about it.

[Green Monstah]

But Paterno never gave the legal process a chance to do its thing; he sat on eyewitness testimony of Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the Penn lockerroom showers. So when it blows up in his face, he says to let the process happen. When he stifled and suppressed the legal process for 20 years, he wasn't interested in letting it happen.

I believe this is why Paterno never let Sandusky take over. Paterno was content to let Sandusky carry out his rapes and molestations in Paterno's lockerroom, but he was going to deny Sandusky the ultimate prize because Paterno was more concerned about his football program than saving multiple young boys. Rapes could happen all day long with 10 year old boys, but rapes could never sully any head coach of his program.As naive as she was for meeting with Sandusky and demanding that he promise never to shower with young boys again, at least the mother of one of the victims tried to protect future victions. Paterno never made any such threat to Sandusky; stop or I will fire you. Or I will fire you whether you stop or not. Paterno sheltered and promoted Sandusky over a 20 year period, knowing what he was doing.

So you have access to information that I don't? Seems like a lot of reading between the lines.

[SeattleUte]

You think the university presumes they are innocent?

JoePa has dirty hands here any way you slice it.

Asst Coach: Coach Paterno, I just saw a naked Sandusky in the shower with a naked little boy, after hours, and nobody else was around. It looks like they were "horsing around."

JoePa: OK, thanks. I guess Im supposed to tell the AD, which I will do tomorrow. Then I will do nothing more. Back to work for all of us. I've done my duty.

JoePa will step down now, as he should. This is way too big for the school to survive the media onslaught. And at best, JoePa exhibited a horrible lapse in judgment. He should have done more and by his own admission, and yours, he did the minimum required and left it at that.

You are probably right because of what I've been telling you for years now. The real powers at an academically distinguished Big 10 university like Penn State at most tolerate DI sports. Many of them hate it, are embarrassed by it in the presence of their IVY and U. of Chicago, etc. colleagues, and are looking for any reason to try to erase it from their campus. They certainly will try to purge any disgrace that might rightly or wrongly be associated with the university for any actual or alleged wrongdoing associated with the school's participation in DI sports. So, if UCLA fired Lavin for putting on his expense report that one less recruit was present at a dinner than the number that was actually present, Penn State may well err on the side of wholesale personnel purge here where the alleged crime (of which Paterno and the two Penn State administrators have not even been accused of illegally concealing) is so heinous, even before any Penn State administrator or coach is convicted.

So, it's ironic that a DI sports junkie, NCAA hater, BYU fan, and USC apologist like you is on the side you're on in this nacsent prosecution. (By the way, none of this is mitigating USC's immorality; the incidents are unrelated.)

That just shows you that firings and resignations in this context mean nothing in terms of rights and wrongs. You should always be suspicious when the prosecutor resorts to charging perjury in respect of the subject investigation and that's the worst that the prosecutor alleges in this situation.

[SeattleUte]

It seems extremely unlikely that Paterno wasn't aware of the allegations against Sandusky from 1998. When new accusations arose in 2002 and Paterno did very little about it, it paints a picture that could be pretty damning, despite Paterno ostensibly doing nothing overtly wrong in this case.

Many have said that the reason Sandusky retired in 1999 was to avoid the repercussions of the allegations. Paterno had to have known about it.

Gotta love it. An atheist who is too impatient with an empirical process (what a trial is) to forebear announcing his rank speculations about what Joe Paterno knew in 1998. you and AtheistCoug are more alike than you care to admit.

[TripletDaddy]

You are probably right because of what I've been telling you for years now. The real powers at an academically distinguished Big 10 university like Penn State at most tolerate DI sports. Many of them hate it, are embarrassed by it in the presence of their IVY and U. of Chicago, etc. colleagues, and are looking for any reason to try to erase it from their campus. They certainly will try to purge any disgrace that might rightly or wrongly be associated with the university for any actual or alleged wrongdoing associated with the school's participation in DI sports. So, if UCLA fired Lavin for putting on his expense report that one less recruit was present at a dinner than the number that was actually present, Penn State may well err on the side of wholesale personnel purge here where the crime (of which Paterno and the two Penn State administrators have not even been accused of illegally concealing) is so heinous, even before any Penn State administrator or coach is convicted.

So, it's ironic that a DI sports junkie, NCAA hater, BYU fan, and USC apologist like you is on the side you're on in this nacsent prosecution. (By the way, none of this is mitigating USC's immorality; the incidents are unrelated.)

That just shows you that firings and resignations in this context mean nothing in terms of rights and wrongs. You should always be suspicious when the prosecutor resorts to charging perjury in respect of the subject investigation and that's the worst that the prosecutor allege in this situation.

I don't view this as having anything to do with any of the other NCAA investigations going on now or in the recent past. This is a criminal investigation in which a serious crime against humanity has been alleged. I would liken it more to the OJ trial, in which I had no loyalty to the Juice regardless of college affiliation.

You were wrong about the Big East/West Virginia complaint (I think I took it easy on you despite your embarrassing assessment of the situation).

You are clearly wrong here. This is a national story and most of the talk is centered around JoePa and PSU specifically....PSU reputation, how they present themselves vs how they really operate, etc. Yet you claim that those things are non-starters.

I am sure it won't be the last time you are wrong.

[SeattleUte]

I don't view this as having anything to do with any of the other NCAA investigations going on now or in the recent past. This is a criminal investigation in which a serious crime against humanity has been alleged. I would liken it more to the OJ trial, in which I had no loyalty to the Juice regardless of college affiliation.

You were wrong about the Big East/West Virginia complaint (I think I took it easy on you despite your embarrassing assessment of the situation).

You are clearly wrong here. This is a national story and most of the talk is centered around JoePa and PSU specifically....PSU reputation, how they present themselves vs how they really operate, etc. Yet you claim that those things are non-starters.

I am sure it won't be the last time you are wrong.

You still don't get the differnce between a complaint and proof, do you. Do you see the parallel in the two situations?