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  • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
    Seriously?
    Weird - his Scout profile (of all places, given what Gurney says here) shows he had offers from BYU and UConn. That's all I'd ever heard - hadn't heard Syracuse or BC.

    I'm not sure about Jenaro Gilford but I know that Rodney Thomas was a huge pickup for us back in the Bosco years.
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    • Why the $%^& wld Reynolds say stuff like this?

      "During our team meetings, Coach Reynolds said, 'We're going to be playing Ole Miss, Florida State, Texas and all those ACC and SEC teams.'" Mahina said. "He said, 'They're definitely going to be more athletic than you guys, but what's more important is position mastery.’ You know, that you understand how to do your routes, how to stem your guy to widen him so you can better get to the hole on those athletes. That's what's going to allow us to get those catches and beat those teams."

      Per Mahina.

      OK. So our three probable TEs for this year have combined offers from:

      Florida
      Oregon x 2
      LSU
      Miami
      Stanford x 2
      Tennessee
      UCLA x 3
      Washington
      Wisconsin
      Colorado

      But somehow bc they went to BYU they're now less athletic than the guys at .... Ole Miss? So I guess they'd be awesomer athletes if they'd went to one of the other schools.

      Love ya Lance, but stop propagating bullshit.
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      • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
        Why the $%^& wld Reynolds say stuff like this?

        "During our team meetings, Coach Reynolds said, 'We're going to be playing Ole Miss, Florida State, Texas and all those ACC and SEC teams.'" Mahina said. "He said, 'They're definitely going to be more athletic than you guys, but what's more important is position mastery.’ You know, that you understand how to do your routes, how to stem your guy to widen him so you can better get to the hole on those athletes. That's what's going to allow us to get those catches and beat those teams."

        Per Mahina.

        OK. So our three probable TEs for this year have combined offers from:

        Florida
        Oregon x 2
        LSU
        Miami
        Stanford x 2
        Tennessee
        UCLA x 3
        Washington
        Wisconsin
        Colorado

        But somehow bc they went to BYU they're now less athletic than the guys at .... Ole Miss? So I guess they'd be awesomer athletes if they'd went to one of the other schools.

        Love ya Lance, but stop propagating bullshit.
        You know the old saying though about bulllshit; it runs downhill. It had to come from somewhere. I'm just sayin'
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        • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
          Why the $%^& wld Reynolds say stuff like this?

          "During our team meetings, Coach Reynolds said, 'We're going to be playing Ole Miss, Florida State, Texas and all those ACC and SEC teams.'" Mahina said. "He said, 'They're definitely going to be more athletic than you guys, but what's more important is position mastery.’ You know, that you understand how to do your routes, how to stem your guy to widen him so you can better get to the hole on those athletes. That's what's going to allow us to get those catches and beat those teams."

          Per Mahina.

          OK. So our three probable TEs for this year have combined offers from:

          Florida
          Oregon x 2
          LSU
          Miami
          Stanford x 2
          Tennessee
          UCLA x 3
          Washington
          Wisconsin
          Colorado

          But somehow bc they went to BYU they're now less athletic than the guys at .... Ole Miss? So I guess they'd be awesomer athletes if they'd went to one of the other schools.

          Love ya Lance, but stop propagating bullshit.
          I don't think this was a ridiculous statement. Even if it is bullshit nobody can argue with the fundamental concept that athleticism is not BYU's competitive advantage wrt Texas and Ole Miss. I see nothing wrong with the heavy emphasis on the need for BYU to be more sound tecnically and out-execute their opponents.

          I also don't think that those schools that recruited Austin Holt did so planning for him to be a spectacular athlete at TE. I think Mahina is a bit more athletic but the reality is that those teams Reynolds mentioned are likely to have better athletes matching up with Holt and Mahina.
          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
          -General George S. Patton

          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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          • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
            I don't think this was a ridiculous statement. Even if it is bullshit nobody can argue with the fundamental concept that athleticism is not BYU's competitive advantage wrt Texas and Ole Miss. I see nothing wrong with the heavy emphasis on the need for BYU to be more sound tecnically and out-execute their opponents.

            I also don't think that those schools that recruited Austin Holt did so planning for him to be a spectacular athlete at TE. I think Mahina is a bit more athletic but the reality is that those teams Reynolds mentioned are likely to have better athletes matching up with Holt and Mahina.

            I agree on Holt, but I don't believe that Mahina or Wilson are below the median levels of athleticism among TEs at BCS schools.
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            • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
              I agree on Holt, but I don't believe that Mahina or Wilson are below the median levels of athleticism among TEs at BCS schools.
              Is it that big of a deal? Let them put a chip on their shoulder if it helps.
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              • Just a general note, but am I the only one who finds the piling on Anae/stroking the inner thigh of the Anae critic fan to be petty?

                I tire of the numerous mentions of the word "unpredictable" as well as the piling on for supposedly never coaching the tight ends. If in fact the tight ends were so successful during 5/6ths of Anae tenure at BYU in spite of Anae instead of due to Anae time will prove that point. To start laying the groundwork that next year's improved TE play somehow supports that assertion is bullshit and beyond disloyal to someone who gave BYU all he had. Of course they will be better next year, they likely would have improved significantly had Anae still be the TE coach and OC.

                Gawd I love Brandon Doman but he has done more to cause me to think he might be a petty wanker the past few weeks with his constant references to "unpredictable." I am absolutely sure if in fact that is what the final product actually is that I will forgive him and encircle him within the bosom of my love, but why would a stud like him have to placate to the stringpullers in this fanbase annoys me. Just make the offense better without stroking the inner thighs of the fans about your principle focus being their chief complaint of the past few years, it just looks really gay IMO.
                Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                -General George S. Patton

                I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                -DOCTOR Wuap

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                • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                  Just a general note, but am I the only one who finds the piling on Anae/stroking the inner thigh of the Anae critic fan to be petty?

                  I tire of the numerous mentions of the word "unpredictable" as well as the piling on for supposedly never coaching the tight ends. If in fact the tight ends were so successful during 5/6ths of Anae tenure at BYU in spite of Anae instead of due to Anae time will prove that point. To start laying the groundwork that next year's improved TE play somehow supports that assertion is bullshit and beyond disloyal to someone who gave BYU all he had. Of course they will be better next year, they likely would have improved significantly had Anae still be the TE coach and OC.

                  Gawd I love Brandon Doman but he has done more to cause me to think he might be a petty wanker the past few weeks with his constant references to "unpredictable." I am absolutely sure if in fact that is what the final product actually is that I will forgive him and encircle him within the bosom of my love, but why would a stud like him have to placate to the stringpullers in this fanbase annoys me. Just make the offense better without stroking the inner thighs of the fans about your principle focus being their chief complaint of the past few years, it just looks really gay IMO.
                  I've never taken any of Doman's comments that way. Doman had his college success under Crowton, and as frightening as it may be to the Crowton haters, I think he had a big influence on Doman. Unpredictability really is a big part of what Doman wants to do on offense and is not just a shot at the previous offensive philosophy.
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                  • Originally posted by kccougar View Post
                    I've never taken any of Doman's comments that way. Doman had his college success under Crowton, and as frightening as it may be to the Crowton haters, I think he had a big influence on Doman. Unpredictability really is a big part of what Doman wants to do on offense and is not just a shot at the previous offensive philosophy.

                    I think there's truth in this - and the problem with Crowton wasn't the "unpredictability" - it was that he failed to systematize it. That he was too haphazard in shifting schemes...
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                    • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                      I think there's truth in this - and the problem with Crowton wasn't the "unpredictability" - it was that he failed to systematize it. That he was too haphazard in shifting schemes...
                      Crowton's problems were that the did not have the talent to do what he wanted to do. Further, he was a poor HC so he was unable to strategize to his strenghts and coagulate. His focus was too narrow to be a good HC, IMO. I don't think he was able to earn the respect he needed to be successful long term and I never felt his system was a great match with his talent base. Not to mention some of the issues that resulted from him trying to step outside his historical base. I prefer BYU recruiting more non-LDS kids but not in a desperate move. Mendenhall seems more calculated and specific in that area and while he still experiences some unnerving attrition, it is nowhere near what Crowton experienced.
                      Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                      -General George S. Patton

                      I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                      -DOCTOR Wuap

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                      • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                        I think there's truth in this - and the problem with Crowton wasn't the "unpredictability" - it was that he failed to systematize it.
                        Exactly. We don't want unpredictability in our unpredictability. That's just chaos.

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                        • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                          I agree on Holt, but I don't believe that Mahina or Wilson are below the median levels of athleticism among TEs at BCS schools.
                          Its not tight ends vs tight ends. Its ACC and SEC safeties and corners vs our Tight ends and they are more athletic.
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                          • Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                            Its not tight ends vs tight ends. Its ACC and SEC safeties and corners vs our Tight ends and they are more athletic.
                            I don't read that as the gist of Lance's comments (as translated by Mahina). TEs typically compare to LBs and DEs in terms of body types. Most d 1 safeties and corners are going to be faster, quicker and more athletic than most TEs. But I don't believe Wilson, Mahina and Holy are below the D1 median for OLB/DE types either.
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                            • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                              I don't read that as the gist of Lance's comments (as translated by Mahina). TEs typically compare to LBs and DEs in terms of body types. Most d 1 safeties and corners are going to be faster, quicker and more athletic than most TEs. But I don't believe Wilson, Mahina and Holy are below the D1 median for OLB/DE types either.
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                              • Glad practice is back today. I've missed it the last couple days.
                                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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