2011 BYU Football Thread

[oxcoug]

Seriously?

Weird - his Scout profile (of all places, given what Gurney says here) shows he had offers from BYU and UConn. That's all I'd ever heard - hadn't heard Syracuse or BC.

I'm not sure about Jenaro Gilford but I know that Rodney Thomas was a huge pickup for us back in the Bosco years.

[oxcoug]

Why the $%^& wld Reynolds say stuff like this?

"During our team meetings, Coach Reynolds said, 'We're going to be playing Ole Miss, Florida State, Texas and all those ACC and SEC teams.'" Mahina said. "He said, 'They're definitely going to be more athletic than you guys, but what's more important is position mastery.’ You know, that you understand how to do your routes, how to stem your guy to widen him so you can better get to the hole on those athletes. That's what's going to allow us to get those catches and beat those teams."

Per Mahina.

OK. So our three probable TEs for this year have combined offers from:

Florida
Oregon x 2
LSU
Miami
Stanford x 2
Tennessee
UCLA x 3
Washington
Wisconsin
Colorado

But somehow bc they went to BYU they're now less athletic than the guys at .... Ole Miss? So I guess they'd be awesomer athletes if they'd went to one of the other schools.

Love ya Lance, but stop propagating bullshit.

[Blueintheface]

Why the $%^& wld Reynolds say stuff like this?

"During our team meetings, Coach Reynolds said, 'We're going to be playing Ole Miss, Florida State, Texas and all those ACC and SEC teams.'" Mahina said. "He said, 'They're definitely going to be more athletic than you guys, but what's more important is position mastery.’ You know, that you understand how to do your routes, how to stem your guy to widen him so you can better get to the hole on those athletes. That's what's going to allow us to get those catches and beat those teams."

Per Mahina.

OK. So our three probable TEs for this year have combined offers from:

Florida
Oregon x 2
LSU
Miami
Stanford x 2
Tennessee
UCLA x 3
Washington
Wisconsin
Colorado

But somehow bc they went to BYU they're now less athletic than the guys at .... Ole Miss? So I guess they'd be awesomer athletes if they'd went to one of the other schools.

Love ya Lance, but stop propagating bullshit.

You know the old saying though about bulllshit; it runs downhill. It had to come from somewhere. I'm just sayin'

[Goatnapper'96]

Why the $%^& wld Reynolds say stuff like this?

"During our team meetings, Coach Reynolds said, 'We're going to be playing Ole Miss, Florida State, Texas and all those ACC and SEC teams.'" Mahina said. "He said, 'They're definitely going to be more athletic than you guys, but what's more important is position mastery.’ You know, that you understand how to do your routes, how to stem your guy to widen him so you can better get to the hole on those athletes. That's what's going to allow us to get those catches and beat those teams."

Per Mahina.

OK. So our three probable TEs for this year have combined offers from:

Florida
Oregon x 2
LSU
Miami
Stanford x 2
Tennessee
UCLA x 3
Washington
Wisconsin
Colorado

But somehow bc they went to BYU they're now less athletic than the guys at .... Ole Miss? So I guess they'd be awesomer athletes if they'd went to one of the other schools.

Love ya Lance, but stop propagating bullshit.

I don't think this was a ridiculous statement. Even if it is bullshit nobody can argue with the fundamental concept that athleticism is not BYU's competitive advantage wrt Texas and Ole Miss. I see nothing wrong with the heavy emphasis on the need for BYU to be more sound tecnically and out-execute their opponents.

I also don't think that those schools that recruited Austin Holt did so planning for him to be a spectacular athlete at TE. I think Mahina is a bit more athletic but the reality is that those teams Reynolds mentioned are likely to have better athletes matching up with Holt and Mahina.

[oxcoug]

I don't think this was a ridiculous statement. Even if it is bullshit nobody can argue with the fundamental concept that athleticism is not BYU's competitive advantage wrt Texas and Ole Miss. I see nothing wrong with the heavy emphasis on the need for BYU to be more sound tecnically and out-execute their opponents.

I also don't think that those schools that recruited Austin Holt did so planning for him to be a spectacular athlete at TE. I think Mahina is a bit more athletic but the reality is that those teams Reynolds mentioned are likely to have better athletes matching up with Holt and Mahina.

I agree on Holt, but I don't believe that Mahina or Wilson are below the median levels of athleticism among TEs at BCS schools.

[Surfah]

I agree on Holt, but I don't believe that Mahina or Wilson are below the median levels of athleticism among TEs at BCS schools.

Is it that big of a deal? Let them put a chip on their shoulder if it helps.

[Goatnapper'96]

Just a general note, but am I the only one who finds the piling on Anae/stroking the inner thigh of the Anae critic fan to be petty?

I tire of the numerous mentions of the word "unpredictable" as well as the piling on for supposedly never coaching the tight ends. If in fact the tight ends were so successful during 5/6ths of Anae tenure at BYU in spite of Anae instead of due to Anae time will prove that point. To start laying the groundwork that next year's improved TE play somehow supports that assertion is bullshit and beyond disloyal to someone who gave BYU all he had. Of course they will be better next year, they likely would have improved significantly had Anae still be the TE coach and OC.

Gawd I love Brandon Doman but he has done more to cause me to think he might be a petty wanker the past few weeks with his constant references to "unpredictable." I am absolutely sure if in fact that is what the final product actually is that I will forgive him and encircle him within the bosom of my love, but why would a stud like him have to placate to the stringpullers in this fanbase annoys me. Just make the offense better without stroking the inner thighs of the fans about your principle focus being their chief complaint of the past few years, it just looks really gay IMO.

[kccougar]

Just a general note, but am I the only one who finds the piling on Anae/stroking the inner thigh of the Anae critic fan to be petty?

I tire of the numerous mentions of the word "unpredictable" as well as the piling on for supposedly never coaching the tight ends. If in fact the tight ends were so successful during 5/6ths of Anae tenure at BYU in spite of Anae instead of due to Anae time will prove that point. To start laying the groundwork that next year's improved TE play somehow supports that assertion is bullshit and beyond disloyal to someone who gave BYU all he had. Of course they will be better next year, they likely would have improved significantly had Anae still be the TE coach and OC.

Gawd I love Brandon Doman but he has done more to cause me to think he might be a petty wanker the past few weeks with his constant references to "unpredictable." I am absolutely sure if in fact that is what the final product actually is that I will forgive him and encircle him within the bosom of my love, but why would a stud like him have to placate to the stringpullers in this fanbase annoys me. Just make the offense better without stroking the inner thighs of the fans about your principle focus being their chief complaint of the past few years, it just looks really gay IMO.

I've never taken any of Doman's comments that way. Doman had his college success under Crowton, and as frightening as it may be to the Crowton haters, I think he had a big influence on Doman. Unpredictability really is a big part of what Doman wants to do on offense and is not just a shot at the previous offensive philosophy.

[oxcoug]

I've never taken any of Doman's comments that way. Doman had his college success under Crowton, and as frightening as it may be to the Crowton haters, I think he had a big influence on Doman. Unpredictability really is a big part of what Doman wants to do on offense and is not just a shot at the previous offensive philosophy.

I think there's truth in this - and the problem with Crowton wasn't the "unpredictability" - it was that he failed to systematize it. That he was too haphazard in shifting schemes...

[Goatnapper'96]

I think there's truth in this - and the problem with Crowton wasn't the "unpredictability" - it was that he failed to systematize it. That he was too haphazard in shifting schemes...

Crowton's problems were that the did not have the talent to do what he wanted to do. Further, he was a poor HC so he was unable to strategize to his strenghts and coagulate. His focus was too narrow to be a good HC, IMO. I don't think he was able to earn the respect he needed to be successful long term and I never felt his system was a great match with his talent base. Not to mention some of the issues that resulted from him trying to step outside his historical base. I prefer BYU recruiting more non-LDS kids but not in a desperate move. Mendenhall seems more calculated and specific in that area and while he still experiences some unnerving attrition, it is nowhere near what Crowton experienced.

[Katy Lied]

I think there's truth in this - and the problem with Crowton wasn't the "unpredictability" - it was that he failed to systematize it.

Exactly. We don't want unpredictability in our unpredictability. That's just chaos.

[cougjunkie]

I agree on Holt, but I don't believe that Mahina or Wilson are below the median levels of athleticism among TEs at BCS schools.

Its not tight ends vs tight ends. Its ACC and SEC safeties and corners vs our Tight ends and they are more athletic.

[oxcoug]

Its not tight ends vs tight ends. Its ACC and SEC safeties and corners vs our Tight ends and they are more athletic.

I don't read that as the gist of Lance's comments (as translated by Mahina). TEs typically compare to LBs and DEs in terms of body types. Most d 1 safeties and corners are going to be faster, quicker and more athletic than most TEs. But I don't believe Wilson, Mahina and Holy are below the D1 median for OLB/DE types either.

[Surfah]

I don't read that as the gist of Lance's comments (as translated by Mahina). TEs typically compare to LBs and DEs in terms of body types. Most d 1 safeties and corners are going to be faster, quicker and more athletic than most TEs. But I don't believe Wilson, Mahina and Holy are below the D1 median for OLB/DE types either.

Last season they were.

[MarkGrace]

Glad practice is back today. I've missed it the last couple days.