The Independent Expansion Groundswell

[YOhio]

Well, it's not like these myths are written down anywhere.

There's already too many books and so little time.

[creekster]

There's already too many books and so little time.

Like anyone would believe THAT.

[LA Ute]

YOhio would never lie ... that's another foundational myth of CUF. Really, I thought these things were well understood.

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

[pelagius]

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

You are far too good of a poster to have to resort to something like that ... Next time I suggest some sort of graph (created by you ... don't use other people's graphs) or a lengthy post where you work Bayes' Rule into the discussion.

[LA Ute]

You are far too good of a poster to have to resort to something like that ... Next time I suggest some sort of graph (created by you ... don't use other people's graphs) or a lengthy post where you work Bayes' Rule into the discussion.

Just as a teaser, I'll toss the theorem in, but YOhio really should be the one explaining it. And because he never lies, I am sure he will tell us if he cannot do so:

[Non Sequitur]

Is geekoid a combination of geek and steroid? If so, I can see where it came from. Are you in a bulking phase again?

I'm pretty sure it's a geek and a hemorrhoid.

[creekster]

I'm pretty sure it's a geek and a hemorrhoid.

No wonder he's always standing in all his photos.

[Flystripper]

I'm pretty sure it's a geek and a hemorrhoid.

don't steroids and hemorrhoid's go hand in hand?

[SteelBlue]

Good Lord, we need some news. The thread has taken an awful turn.

[Flystripper]

Good Lord, we need some news. The thread has taken an awful turn.

agreed ...at this point I am posting to pad my post count when EJ brings it up again.

[LA Ute]

This is the text of the WAC resolution, obtained by the Salt Lake Tribune.

It's pretty interesting. We'll have fun picking it apart. These paragraphs seem to be at the heart of the matter:

Whereas, in order for BYU to proceed with termination of its current affiliation with the Mountain West Conference it needs certain minimum assurances from the WAC; and,

Whereas, the WAC wishes to take steps to make such minimum assurances to BYU so that a contract with BYU may be completed ....

4. The WAC and its members and BYU, agree that all current members of the WAC (except Louisiana Tech and Boise State, which has already given notice of its withdrawal) will not join any other conference or athletic conference from the date of adoption of this resolution through June 30, 2016, contingent upon BYU agreeing that it will not join any other conference or athletic conference from the date of entering a contract with the WAC through June 30, 2016.

5. Any WAC member (except Louisiana Tech or Boise State) or BYU shall pay a penalty of $5 million in the event it violates the terms of paragraph 5 herein unless the conference that is joined has current (as of the time joined) automatic access for its league champion into the bowl championship series (BCS). Said payment will be made within 60 days from demand from the WAC.

That makes it seem pretty clear that BYU wanted the WAC to stay intact (without members running off to the MWC). No surprise there. Paragraph 5 allows BYU to leave for the Big 12 (or another BCS AQ conference) without a penalty.

[Uncle Ted]

This is the text of the WAC resolution, obtained by the Salt Lake Tribune.

It's pretty interesting. We'll have fun picking it apart. These paragraphs seem to be at the heart of the matter:



That makes it seem pretty clear that BYU wanted the WAC to stay intact (without members running off to the MWC) and that the Big 12 may not be too imminent if BYU was willing to be bound until 2016. Then again, BYU would surely be happy to leave the WAC if the Big 12 came calling and just pay the $5 million. (Which is not much, really, in the overall scheme of things.)

Details, details, details...

5. Any WAC member (except Louisiana Tech or Boise State) or BYU shall pay a penalty of $5 million in the event it violates the terms of paragraph 5 herein unless the conference that is joined has current (as of the time joined) automatic access for its league champion into the bowl championship series (BCS). Said payment will be made within 60 days from demand from the WAC.

[Uncle Ted]

FYI, there is a side discussion about all of over here:

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showthread.php?t=29250

[LA Ute]

Details, details, details...

Yeah, I was reading too fast - caught that and edited my post but not before you quoted me. Yes, that's the escape hatch.

[falafel]

This is the text of the WAC resolution, obtained by the Salt Lake Tribune.

It's pretty interesting. We'll have fun picking it apart. These paragraphs seem to be at the heart of the matter:



That makes it seem pretty clear that BYU wanted the WAC to stay intact (without members running off to the MWC) and that the Big 12 may not be too imminent if BYU was willing to be bound until 2016. Then again, BYU would surely be happy to leave the WAC if the Big 12 came calling and just pay the $5 million. (Which is not much, really, in the overall scheme of things.)

I agree about it not being much for BYU to pay. In fact, I'm sure BYU couldn't have extracted the promise to stay together from the remaining WAC schools without agreeing to it itself. I'm not sure there is too much that can be read into all this as far as it concerns a possible Big 12 invite.

On the other hand, it DOES appear that Fresno and Nevada were banking on their defections killing BYU's move to the WAC, since it would mean they did not need to pay the $5M. In fact, I'll bet Hair used that as a selling point.