The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Flattop]

You're right no wiggle room at all. No football. No healing people. No more than 500 steps. etc.

Sounds like a false choice to me: either the pharisee route or anything goes.

[jay santos]

Sounds like a false choice to me: either the pharisee route or anything goes.

You were the one to say there was no wiggle room. I was pointing out that sounds an awful lot like the Pharisees.

[Paperback Writer]

Despite there greatest efforts, fans are not buying this. Fans also should not buy that there weren't any TV talks with the Big12.

I have similar doubts. The two biggest questions that are asked in conference expansion is 1) When? and 2) How much $?. TV contracts factor directly into how much revenue will be received. TV partners are consulted before a conference even begins discussions with potential new members.

I understand that the Big 12 and BYU may not have been able to reach an agreement with regards to TV exposure. What I don't buy for a second is that the topic didn't come up...it would have been the first thing discussed after "When can I join".

Perhaps the conversation ended when BYU asked: "What kind of TV exposure can we expect?". And the answer was: "You get the same deal as all members get in the Big 12. TV exposure is determined by our TV partners which is largely based on the sucess of the program and the audience it can bring in. You start losing in the Big 12 and you'll be on TV as often as Baylor or Kansas. You start winning and you'll be on prime time".

BYU has guarantees with ESPN that they will never have in writing with the Big 12.

[falafel]

"Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates."

Your right, people interpret things differently. But maybe they're just rationalizing. It seems that tradition and culture become more important than keeping the commandments.

Sounds like the only people in trouble are those taking tickets and selling hotdogs on the sabbath. Spectators aren't working.

[Flattop]

Sounds like the only people in trouble are those taking tickets and selling hotdogs on the sabbath. Spectators aren't working.

What about the players?

[Pelado]

What about the players?

They're playing, not working. It's even in their name...players.

The coaches might have an issue, though.

[falafel]

What about the players?

Recreation. Not work.

[Flattop]

They're playing, not working. It's even in their name...players.

The coaches might have an issue, though.

Same for the refs.

Of course, none of these people would be working if not for the players.

In any case, if playing is your vocation, then playing is working.

[Paperback Writer]

Sounds like the only people in trouble are those taking tickets and selling hotdogs on the sabbath. Spectators aren't working.

An argument can be made that the players are not working either. From my limited knowledge of Halakha (Jewish law) all that is needed is a Rabbi to declare that the stadium is a residence. Besides, those taking tickets greeting fans and selling serving food are performing a civic duty related to people's safety and nourishment.

[Flattop]

An argument can be made that the players are not working either. From my limited knowledge of Halakha (Jewish law) all that is needed is a Rabbi to declare that the stadium is a residence. Besides, those taking tickets greeting fans and selling serving food are performing a civic duty related to people's safety and nourishment.

Playing indoors or at night would be difficult since no one could turn on the lights.

[Paperback Writer]

Same for the refs.

Of course, none of these people would be working if not for the players.

In any case, if playing is your vocation, then playing is working.

The refrees are preforming a civic duty related to the safety of the players involved. Much like a policeman or a fireman.

The players are student-athletes not professional athetes. It is not their vocation as they are students preforming a service for their school. They just have different gifts and abilities. One student may be on full-scholarship for being gifted at playing the violin or dance and may even utliize that gift on the Sabbath. Students on full athletic scholarship simply have a different gift.

They are simply exercising their gifts and abilities, its not working - the student athletics are not even employed by the university.

[Paperback Writer]

Playing indoors or at night would be difficult since no one could turn on the lights.

When I attend church, the lights are always on. I just hope someone repents for flipping the switch.

[Flattop]

The refrees are preforming a civic duty related to the safety of the players involved. Much like a policeman or a fireman.

The players are student-athletes not professional athetes. It is not their vocation as they are students preforming a service for their school. They just have different gifts and abilities. One student may be on full-scholarship for being gifted at playing the violin or dance and may even utliize that gift on the Sabbath. Students on full athletic scholarship simply have a different gift.

They are simply exercising their gifts and abilities, its not working - the student athletics are not even employed by the university.

OTOH, the scholarship can be considered as their compensation for playing.

[Flattop]

When I attend church, the lights are always on. I just hope someone repents for flipping the switch.

The lights were either turned on Friday before sunset, or were turned on by a timer.

[Jeff Lebowski]

OTOH, the scholarship can be considered as their compensation for playing.

I have always wondered if it is against the sabbath to study on Sunday. Probably not.

Unless you have a scholarship of course. Because then you are being paid to study.