The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[TripletDaddy]

Remember when MW and SU where fawning all over Palin after her convention speech? Several of us tried to tell them that something didn't smell right, but they wouldn't listen.

That was a great week. One of the rare times SeattleUte and Tex were on the same page.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That was a great week. One of the rare times SeattleUte and Tex were on the same page.

SeattleUte and Tex are often on the same page. In many ways, they have the same view of LDS history, doctrine, orthodoxy, literalism, etc. Consequently, they both mock progressive LDS types, just from different sides of the room.

[ERCougar]

Because he said as much. I watched part of the interview on TV last night and he said that while they had talks with the Big 12, they never got to the point of discussing TV contract issues. He then said that many fans have been passing rumors that demands related to BYUtv derailed the Big 12 talks, but that is simply not true.

This just doesn't jibe with so much that was said, both on and off of here. This raises a lot more questions than it answers. Per multiple accounts, they were talking for months. They "didn't get very far"? They didn't discuss BYUTV? Really?

I'm calling BS. Santos is right and Holmoe's lying through his teeth. Weak.

[jay santos]

This just doesn't jibe with so much that was said, both on and off of here. This raises a lot more questions than it answers. Per multiple accounts, they were talking for months. They "didn't get very far"? They didn't discuss BYUTV? Really?

I'm calling BS. Santos is right and Holmoe's lying through his teeth. Weak.

Listened to the interview. Holmoe danced around a lot. I think he's spinning. We heard from insiders close to BYU sources and insiders close to Big 12 sources for the better part of a month that BYU and Big 12 were in all kinds of talks with specific information discussed about TV rights and exposure. I heard myself from a source (in real life not on the internet) in a way that validated generally the stuff that others said more specifically.

[jay santos]

lol in this interview Bronco saying the WAC schedule in November was tougher than the MWC November schedule.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I've been trying to tell you Sunday play is the monster issue, the killer. If I were president of Baylor or whatever I might find it slightly inconvenient that no pork can be served at pre-game meals. But that would not be a deal breaker. Here you are asking 11 other schools to agree never to play a tournament game on Sunday. That's the ramifiction of what BYU is asking. Also, the no play on Sunday thing is extreme to most people, especially academics or intellectuals; it's kind of annoying. Most Christians aren't so narrow in their interpretation of the Sabbath. Finally, it's symbolic of the whole CULTure thing and a nice shorthand explanation for opposing BYU.

Wait, why wouldn't there be pork? I knew I should have listened to General Conf, I always miss the important commandments.

[Omaha 680]

lol in this interview Bronco saying the WAC schedule in November was tougher than the MWC November schedule.

I'm all for tweaking your former rival, but I don't think that's what he is doing there...he's just attempting to spin. Being honest though, just having Utah on the schedule in November made every MWC schedule we ever had more difficult than our 2011 November schedule. This speaks both to the formidible opponent Utah has become and how truly crappy this year's schedule was.

[Coach McGuirk]

lol in this interview Bronco saying the WAC schedule in November was tougher than the MWC November schedule.

Despite there greatest efforts, fans are not buying this. Fans also should not buy that there weren't any TV talks with the Big12.

[Flattop]

Also, the no play on Sunday thing is extreme to most people, especially academics or intellectuals; it's kind of annoying. Most Christians aren't so narrow in their interpretation of the Sabbath.

Um, shouldn't they be?

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."

Not a whole lot of wiggle room there.

[Flattop]

Wait, why wouldn't there be pork? I knew I should have listened to General Conf, I always miss the important commandments.

Is there a Jewish owned private university with a football team?

[jay santos]

I'm all for tweaking your former rival, but I don't think that's what he is doing there...he's just attempting to spin. Being honest though, just having Utah on the schedule in November made every MWC schedule we ever had more difficult than our 2011 November schedule. This speaks both to the formidible opponent Utah has become and how truly crappy this year's schedule was.

It would be pretty difficult to come up with a schedule worse and guarantees irrelevancy better than:

bye
Idaho
New Mexico State
bye
Hawaii

[Jeff Lebowski]

Um, shouldn't they be?

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."

Not a whole lot of wiggle room there.

That's funny. If you look at the different ways this has been interpreted throughout history, I would say that the wiggle room is a mile wide and a mile deep. How strictly different religious groups define sabbath day observance is more a matter of tradition and culture than anything else.

[Moliere]

Um, shouldn't they be?

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."

Not a whole lot of wiggle room there.

To some BYU fans, football is holy!

[jay santos]

Um, shouldn't they be?

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."

Not a whole lot of wiggle room there.

You're right no wiggle room at all. No football. No healing people. No more than 500 steps. etc.

[Flattop]

That's funny. If you at the different ways this has been interpreted throughout history, I would say that the wiggle room is a mile wide and a mile deep. How strictly different religious groups define sabbath day observance is more a matter of tradition and culture than anything else.

"Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates."

Your right, people interpret things differently. But maybe they're just rationalizing. It seems that tradition and culture become more important than keeping the commandments.