The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Goatnapper'96]

Except those good ol' boys in Dallas dont particualry care for the east coasters, either. East is east and west is west and they want both of them the hell out of Texas.

This is true as well. OU and Texas need each other, both have lost their historic rival in the past year, and they need a viable Big-12.

Then the Big-12 will need someone like BYU. Those more attractive than BYU are already at a table that appears every bit as stable as the Big-12.

[Goatnapper'96]

The rumor on Tigerboard is Mizzou is looking at the Big Ten. I thought the Big Ten turned them down last year. It seems Mizzou is may be evaluating all its options before signing a six year commitment.

Edit: and there is this...

I can't take many more end of the week decisions. Is Mizzou the last Big-12 team to throw a temper tantrum? Will Kansas need its inner thigh stroked and will it try to leverage its hoops program into joining the other 25 Big East hoop schools?

I want closure and to feel the big bosoms of Oprah hugging my sobbing soul!

[Portland Ute]

Why is that surprising? Essentially Utah valued membership in the Pac and for the Utes to get to the Pac Colorado had to come with them. Without Colorado getting Utah $$ for the first few years it could not afford to go along. Some chicks like a guy enough to go dutch on dates because his ass is broke! Utah's financial situation allowed them to limp along without the money for a few years in order to faciliatate a richer future than what the status quo afforded.

Try one year. Utah will be without TV money for one year. Even then, it will be better than what we were getting in the MWC.

After that, even before fully vested, significantly more than Utah was getting in the MWC.

All of this belies the fact that Utah is now in the PAC12 and isn't concerned with whehter Missouri or TAMU stays or goes.

The single most important factor is that Utah saw the golden parachute and snatched it. They (we) didn't quibble that everyone else got diamond crusted the first couple of years.

When someone says you can drive a Ferrari in 3 years (when you a driving a honda civic), you don't quibble when you are immediately given an upgrade to an Accord, then a Caddillac, then the BWM even if your neighbors immediately get the Ferrari.

I don't know the reasons why Utah is in a position where it is ramping up it's revenue. I don't really care. In the meantime, we are now getting a sweeter deal than we had and we KNOW that we will be getting the SAME deal as the neighbors in the near future.

Utah is in the PAC12. That's really all that matters. I know most of you agree because so many of you have said that BYU should do anything short of Sunday play to get into the Big12.

You know how important it is to be on the inside.

If you are in and have the promise of equality in the near future, then what does it really matter?

Well, Utah really is in. Now. Who's to argue with that?

[LiveCoug]

I can't take many more end of the week decisions. Is Mizzou the last Big-12 team to throw a temper tantrum? Will Kansas need its inner thigh stroked and will it try to leverage its hoops program into joining the other 25 Big East hoop schools?

I want closure and to feel the big bosoms of Oprah hugging my sobbing soul!

I think those might be real. Is that going to be a problem for you?

[TheBYUGuy]

If the big 12 said to byu in order to join we will phase in your revenue byu wouldn't say yes?

LOL.

Tom Holmoe to Interim Big 12 Commish: So just to recap, you're saying you THINK that you might be able to hold this thing together for 6 more years, but Mizzou is getting cold feet so you're not really sure.

IB12C: <nods>

TH: And you want to wait until the 4th of those potential 6 years before you give us a full share of the money?

IB12C: <nods>

TH: You're aware that we have a deal with ESPN where we will make more in the first two years than we would in the Big 12 under this proposal?

IB12C: <nods>

TH: So you have enough confidence in your yet-to-be-named-and-not-even-on-the-radar-yet successor that this conference will be around for awhile, and we'd get a full share in 2015, 2016, and 2017 before the conference implodes?

IB12C: Exactly

TH: Great! Where do I sign?

[KillerDog]

This is true as well. OU and Texas need each other, both have lost their historic rival in the past year, and they need a viable Big-12.

Then the Big-12 will need someone like BYU. Those more attractive than BYU are already at a table that appears every bit as stable as the Big-12.

The item oft overlooked in this thread is that the Big XII needs to have 10 teams by next year. Given the timing of this fiasco, they are in a very awkward position and need to find themselves someone who can play next season in their conference.

To my knowledge there are 4 teams who can do that ND, BYU, Army, and Navy. ND won't go so there are three options for the #10 team. BYU is not competing with all schools for the 10th spot, they are competing with independents who would consider it. BYU is in a strong position and they know it as does the Big XII brass.

On the subject of teams 11 and 12, TCU is an option for team 11 or 12. So are Louisville and WVU. The fact that Louisville may have been offered leads me to believe they are past the 10th team and looking to get to the 12th team before they make the announcement. We could hear a collective announcement of the 3 new teams or we could hear an announcement of one new team (BYU) but either way, BYU is in.

[Blueintheface]

Try one year. Utah will be without TV money for one year. Even then, it will be better than what we were getting in the MWC.

After that, even before fully vested, significantly more than Utah was getting in the MWC.

All of this belies the fact that Utah is now in the PAC12 and isn't concerned with whehter Missouri or TAMU stays or goes.

The single most important factor is that Utah saw the golden parachute and snatched it. They (we) didn't quibble that everyone else got diamond crusted the first couple of years.

When someone says you can drive a Ferrari in 3 years (when you a driving a honda civic), you don't quibble when you are immediately given an upgrade to an Accord, then a Caddillac, then the BWM even if your neighbors immediately get the Ferrari.

I don't know the reasons why Utah is in a position where it is ramping up it's revenue. I don't really care. In the meantime, we are now getting a sweeter deal than we had and we KNOW that we will be getting the SAME deal as the neighbors in the near future.

Utah is in the PAC12. That's really all that matters. I know most of you agree because so many of you have said that BYU should do anything short of Sunday play to get into the Big12.

You know how important it is to be on the inside.

If you are in and have the promise of equality in the near future, then what does it really matter?

Well, Utah really is in. Now. Who's to argue with that?

Today we got the grumpy PU. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

[Jacob]

Anyone that is worried about BYU rejecting an offer needs to remember two things.

1. The Big 12 would mean a lot more money.
2. BYU and the church loves money.

3. Love of Money is the root of all evil

[Goatnapper'96]

LOL.

Tom Holmoe to Interim Big 12 Commish: So just to recap, you're saying you THINK that you might be able to hold this thing together for 6 more years, but Mizzou is getting cold feet so you're not really sure.

IB12C: <nods>

TH: And you want to wait until the 4th of those potential 6 years before you give us a full share of the money?

IB12C: <nods>

TH: You're aware that we have a deal with ESPN where we will make more in the first two years than we would in the Big 12 under this proposal?

IB12C: <nods>

TH: So you have enough confidence in your yet-to-be-named-and-not-even-on-the-radar-yet successor that this conference will be around for awhile, and we'd get a full share in 2015, 2016, and 2017 before the conference implodes?

IB12C: Exactly

TH: Great! Where do I sign?

My quoting of Meg Ryan gets to the climax a bit quicker.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I don't care, the church has unlimited taxing authority.

...limited only by the amount to which 60% of the active members allow them to take.

[NorthwestUteFan]

To my knowledge there are 4 teams who can do that ND, BYU, Army, and Navy.

Army and Navy will not go either. Things are coming up roses for the Cougars.

[Goatnapper'96]

The item oft overlooked in this thread is that the Big XII needs to have 10 teams by next year. Given the timing of this fiasco, they are in a very awkward position and need to find themselves someone who can play next season in their conference.

To my knowledge there are 4 teams who can do that ND, BYU, Army, and Navy. ND won't go so there are three options for the #10 team. BYU is not competing with all schools for the 10th spot, they are competing with independents who would consider it. BYU is in a strong position and they know it as does the Big XII brass.

On the subject of teams 11 and 12, TCU is an option for team 11 or 12. So are Louisville and WVU. The fact that Louisville may have been offered leads me to believe they are past the 10th team and looking to get to the 12th team before they make the announcement. We could hear a collective announcement of the 3 new teams or we could hear an announcement of one new team (BYU) but either way, BYU is in.

Army and Navy will not go to the Big-12. They are very aware of their strengths and weaknesses and like getting 7-8 wins beating each other, very good academic institutions in BCS conferences (Vandy, Duke, Wake Forest) and a few lower rung non-AQ BCS programs (uhhhh Ball State? OUCH!) and getting to a bowl game. Not to mention their olympic sports competing in the Patriot Conference is good for them. In essence, I agree with you that BYU is pretty much it for the short term and this gives BYU some leverage. I also am of the opinion that BYU forsaw this to some extent and is part of the reason it went Indy in the first place. We all knew about aTm and Mizzou's displeasure with the Big-12 and while BYU might not have planned to be moving on up this quickly, I think they knew that the Big-12 was going to need to get back to 12 sometime and if they were Indy it could happen easier and be more advantageous to BYU. The implosion wrt aTm just hastened it.

[Goatnapper'96]

Today we got the grumpy PU. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

I was trying to figure out why he was arguing with me when I made the same argument he made on behalf of Utah. Some people need to pull string and Ol Port gotta do what Ol Port gotta do, I reckon.

[Flystripper]

Army and Navy will not go either. Things are coming up roses for the Cougars.

I don't think the 10 team provision in the TV contract will have much to do with the BIG 12 decision regarding BYU. Technical breaches of contracts lead to renegotiated contracts all the time. The only thing that the Big 12 would have to worry about in a renegotiating scenario is if the amount per school is would end up less with A&M gone.

[Goatnapper'96]

3. Love of Money is the root of all evil

No. Love of money is fine as long as the love of money is subordinated to the love of God and your fellow man. In our highly technical world we have all learned to multi-task. Besides that money makes the world go round and can bring to pass God's eternal purposes...the Salem Dream Mine was always Big-12 membership! BOO YAH!