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I was thinking the same thing. Lawyers do that all the time. The risk is that the firm you stay with may never trust you again. That's obviously not a factor to Texas.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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this is true. the UT Austin culture is liberal enough that it might as well be Berkeley.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostThe cultures are more alike than you might think.
The donor and fanbase, however, is quite different.
The real conservatives go to a&m or baylor/tcu.
Smart catholics go to trinity. smart protestants go to rice.
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Interesting. If this happens, Utah to the PAC-12 and BYU screwed.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093803A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali
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Why is BYU screwed? Sure it would feel bad to see our rival get into a better league, but they'll be run over while we get to dominate. If we go to the Big 12, which i think happens, we will have the same issue but "what don't kill you, make you more strong" (Thanks to James Hetfield for the horrendous grammar).Originally posted by CJF View PostInteresting. If this happens, Utah to the PAC-12 and BYU screwed.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093803
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From that article the Big 12 would go forward with only 10. The MWC is weakened by the loss of Utah. I can't think of a worse ending for BYU.Originally posted by Viking View PostWhy is BYU screwed? Sure it would feel bad to see our rival get into a better league, but they'll be run over while we get to dominate. If we go to the Big 12, which i think happens, we will have the same issue but "what don't kill you, make you more strong" (Thanks to James Hetfield for the horrendous grammar).A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali
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Why? I think Boise is a far better football culture/program than Utah. If I had to choose between BSU or UofU in my conference, I would pick BSU 10 times out of 10.Originally posted by CJF View PostFrom that article the Big 12 would go forward with only 10. The MWC is weakened by the loss of Utah. I can't think of a worse ending for BYU.
It's just pure envy that's driving the "worse ending" discussion. Let them go. Good for Utah, if that's what they want.
I don't think the 10-team format is viable because there's no need for a championship, which means lost revenues. They'll invite BYU and TCU. RIP, MWC.
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They will never invite TCU. Why cant people understand this? TCU adds little, if anything at all, in terms of revenue, fans, support, etc. In other words, they add no money.Originally posted by Viking View PostWhy? I think Boise is a far better football culture/program than Utah. If I had to choose between BSU or UofU in my conference, I would pick BSU 10 times out of 10.
It's just pure envy that's driving the "worse ending" discussion. Let them go. Good for Utah, if that's what they want.
I don't think the 10-team format is viable because there's no need for a championship, which means lost revenues. They'll invite BYU and TCU. RIP, MWC.
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BSU alone doesn't make the case for the MWC to be BCS conference. At best they are equal to Utah. If t MWC isn't a BCS conference with Utah, they sure won't be one without them. The only chance the conference becomes an AQ conference is if both BSU and Utah are in it. And even then, it is questionable.Originally posted by Viking View PostWhy? I think Boise is a far better football culture/program than Utah. If I had to choose between BSU or UofU in my conference, I would pick BSU 10 times out of 10.
It's just pure envy that's driving the "worse ending" discussion. Let them go. Good for Utah, if that's what they want.
I don't think the 10-team format is viable because there's no need for a championship, which means lost revenues. They'll invite BYU and TCU. RIP, MWC.
Also, there have been several different reports that state the Big 12 hated the conference championship. There won't be one in the PAC-16 either. Conferences are looking to get away from it and add revenue through tv. That is exactly what this new deal would allow to the Big 12 to do.
TCU to the Big 12 makes zero sense. Unless all the other Texas schools leave, TCU is not joining. I don't get why you keep saying they will. You're on an island.A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali
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Viking, Viking. I keep begging you to let us Ute fans hold on to a shred of self-esteem or dignity, and you keep exposing our utter worthlessness. Stop it, I say! Stop it!Originally posted by Viking View PostWhy? I think Boise is a far better football culture/program than Utah. If I had to choose between BSU or UofU in my conference, I would pick BSU 10 times out of 10.
It's just pure envy that's driving the "worse ending" discussion. Let them go. Good for Utah, if that's what they want.
I don't think the 10-team format is viable because there's no need for a championship, which means lost revenues. They'll invite BYU and TCU. RIP, MWC.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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that's a valid point.Originally posted by Maximus View PostThey will never invite TCU. Why cant people understand this? TCU adds little, if anything at all, in terms of revenue, fans, support, etc. In other words, they add no money.
but texans respect good football and this is now a texan's football conference. we want the best teams in our conference. plus, tcu is quickly picking up a good following in DFW, which is a huge tv market. of course most in dfw watch the aggs or horns anyway but it consolidates the market further. byu brings california, arizona and other west coast eyes to the great state of texas.
They should rename it the Texas Athletic ConferenceLast edited by Viking; 06-13-2010, 11:06 AM.
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look, i want the best for you guys. i think it's a mistake to go to the pac10 and would be better to stay home. w/ boise, the mwc is a helluva football conference and has a legit chance for an autobid.Originally posted by LA Ute View PostViking, Viking. I keep begging you to let us Ute fans hold on to a shred of self-esteem or dignity, and you keep exposing our utter worthlessness. Stop it, I say! Stop it!
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As you stated just above, the conference doesn't need to lock down DFW. It's locked. Plus, why would the other four Texas schools want to cut into their instate recruiting that much more? Wouldn't impact UT, but A&M, TT and Baylor would be impacted and they're not going to go for that. Especially when no revenue is being added. Houston is the same story, only a worse football program.Originally posted by VikingYou're right. i live in manhattan. i am on an island.
i guess they could invite UofH but i bet it's TCU. I grew up in Texas...anything's possible, but i'm not sure you really understand texas football culture. TCU is a win for the Big 12 as it locks down all of DFW.A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali
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kind of locked. not entirely. fort worth itself is bigger than salt lake's entire metro population.Originally posted by CJF View PostAs you stated just above, the conference doesn't need to lock down DFW. It's locked. Plus, why would the other four Texas schools want to cut into their instate recruiting that much more? Wouldn't impact UT, but A&M, TT and Baylor would be impacted and they're not going to go for that. Especially when no revenue is being added. Houston is the same story, only a worse football program.
if a tiny town like lubbock deserves inclusion, why not Fort Worth(less)?
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So I read some rumor that OU's president would prefer the SEC over the Pac-10. If(big if) A&M and OU are willing to clip conference ties with Texas and head for the SEC, does Texas reverse course and start working to hold the Big12(10) together? I just can't see Texas movign without either of its biggest rivals."The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
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