The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[Green Monstah]

You're always wrong, you poor thing. Stanford has a better football tradition and brand and overall sports tradition and brand than BYU.

It's also not just a world class university but one of the two best in the world.

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/202...t-discussions/

Stanford has a great athletics tradition...that wasn't my point. Furthermore, the question isn't BYU versus Stanford, but I understand the Ute compulsion to use BYU as a measuring stick. It's not your fault; it's Pavlovian (bless your heart).

Notwithstanding their sports tradition, their world-class academics, and their sizeable endowment, I still do not believe they bring added value to the B10 in dollars and cents.

Edit (I just read the link you shared): so you're relying on the hearsay from a USC blogger to solidify your position. That's cute.

[Flystripper]

Stanford has a great athletics tradition...that wasn't my point. Furthermore, the question isn't BYU versus Stanford, but I understand the Ute compulsion to use BYU as a measuring stick. It's not your fault; it's Pavlovian (bless your heart).

Notwithstanding their sports tradition, their world-class academics, and their sizeable endowment, I still do not believe they bring added value to the B10 in dollars and cents.

They are worth it even if they are slightly dilutive in football.

[Green Monstah]

They are worth it even if they are slightly dilutive in football.

From a reputation perspective, certainly. From a market value perspective, I'm still skeptical. How many Stanford fans do you know? How many Stanford fans do you know who aren't alumni? How many Stanford alumni do you know who are active fans?

Outside of the Bay Area, are people watching Stanford games for Stanford? Anecdotally (and I've lived a lot of places in this country), I'm not seeing it.

Now, of all the P5 conferences, the B10 is the one who seems most likely to look the other way at market value in favor of non-monetary factors.

[Flystripper]

Maybe. How many Stanford fans do you know? How many Stanford fans do you know who aren't alumni? How many Stanford alumni do you know who are active fans?

Outside of the Bay Area, are people watching Stanford games for Stanford? Anecdotally (and I've lived a lot of places in this country), I'm not seeing it.

Now, of all the conferences, the B10 is the one who seems most likely to look the other way at market value in favor of non-monetary factors.

I live in SoCal and I run into Stanford fans quite a bit, but these moves are not being made because of fan support. Their football is good enough or its close enough because everything else is an overwhelming benefit.

[Green Monstah]

I live in SoCal and I run into Stanford fans quite a bit, but these moves are not being made because of fan support. Their football is good enough or its close enough because everything else is an overwhelming benefit.

So Stanford is different from all other schools in that they make money other than in football and men's hoops? Enough money and support to dilute conference member profit sharing? I think these moves have to be made because of fan support. Because that's where the money is at. We can say this isn't about money, but that's clearly not correct (cue: SU)

[Jeff Lebowski]

The article I linked says Stanford is 50 percent more valuable than Oregon.

Sounds plausible to me.

Remember when I predicted that the B1G would next invite ND & Stanford and you told me I was crazy? I seem to recall "batshit" was part of your response. Good times.

Ha! Here it is:

https://www.cougarstadium.com/forum/sports/the-stadium/51958-the-big-10-expansion-groundswell?p=2254517#post2254517

[Green Monstah]

Certainly a mixed bag, but looking at their records over the years, the historical prowess of the Cardinal football team seems to be a myth. In fact, the last ten years have easily been their best decadal performance (notwithstanding a total of 11 wins the last three seasons).

Stanford Cardinal Football Record By Year | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

[Flystripper]

So Stanford is different from all other schools in that they make money other than in football and men's hoops? Enough money and support to dilute conference member profit sharing? I think these moves have to be made because of fan support. Because that's where the money is at. We can say this isn't about money, but that's clearly not correct (cue: SU)

Yes, Stanford is different than almost all other schools. If the B1G university presidents have any say left, they will choose Stanford.

We all know the B1G wants ND first and foremost. Stanford is one of the schools ND will not take off their schedule (along with USC and Navy). Adding them sweetens the pot a little for ND. No team left moves the needle in terms of TV market, but there are strategic reasons to add Stanford and I don't believe that they will be dilutive enough to matter, but that is just a guess. My guess is that it will be It will be Stanford and ND or it will be nobody.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Certainly a mixed bag, but looking at their records over the years, the historical prowess of the Cardinal football team seems to be a myth. In fact, the last ten years have easily been their best decadal performance (notwithstanding a total of 11 wins the last three seasons).

Stanford Cardinal Football Record By Year | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

That is a really interesting website. Thanks for the link.

Just for fun, checked out the overall summary for Utah, BYU, and Stanford:

UTAH:

Conf. Championships: 25
Bowl Record: 24 Bowls, 17-7, .708 W-L% (Major Bowls)
Ranked in AP Poll: 5 Times (Preseason), 10 Times (Final), 146 Weeks (Total)

BYU:

Conf. Championships: 23
National Championships: 1984
Bowl Record: 39 Bowls, 16-22-1, .423 W-L% (Major Bowls)
Ranked in AP Poll: 11 Times (Preseason), 19 Times (Final), 273 Weeks (Total)
Heisman Winners: Ty Detmer (1990)

Stanford:

Conf. Championships: 14
National Championships: 1926
Bowl Record: 29 Bowls, 15-13-1, .534 W-L% (Major Bowls)
Ranked in AP Poll: 23 Times (Preseason), 20 Times (Final), 303 Weeks (Total)
Heisman Winners: Jim Plunkett (1970)

Crazy that they don't have Utah's national championship on there.

[originalsocal]

That is a really interesting website. Thanks for the link.

Just for fun, checked out the overall summary for Utah, BYU, and Stanford:

UTAH:


BYU:


Stanford:


Crazy that they don't have Utah's national championship on there.

So is that a "swish" for SeattleUte?

[Omaha 680]

Certainly a mixed bag, but looking at their records over the years, the historical prowess of the Cardinal football team seems to be a myth. In fact, the last ten years have easily been their best decadal performance (notwithstanding a total of 11 wins the last three seasons).

Stanford Cardinal Football Record By Year | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Stanford football was a national power back when Pop Warner was coaching, but so was Army and they aren't on anyone's expansion list. In fact, Stanford football is most famous for a game they lost.

But I also agree with everyone that the fact their overall athletic dept is the best in the country and the fact that the school is Stanford make them perhaps the most attractive non-ND candidate immediately available.

[Green Monstah]

Stanford football was a national power back when Pop Warner was coaching, but so was Army and they aren't on anyone's expansion list. In fact, Stanford football is most famous for a game they lost.

But I also agree with everyone that the fact their overall athletic dept is the best in the country and the fact that the school is Stanford make them perhaps the most attractive non-ND candidate immediately available.

It may be. Just not from a dollars and cents perspective, except maybe as a ND package deal.

[SeattleUte]

I have a friend who is a huge USC and BYU fan. He follows the conferences closely. (Happens to live in Alpine like Lebowski.) A gamer in every way.

He's said to me several times he can't understand why the B1G didn't grab Stanford instead of UCLA.

[SeattleUte]

That is a really interesting website. Thanks for the link.

Just for fun, checked out the overall summary for Utah, BYU, and Stanford:

UTAH:


BYU:


Stanford:


Crazy that they don't have Utah's national championship on there.

BYU has more shit hole bowls, including that Holiday Bowl in 1984. Would you rather catch a few steelhead or dozens of small rainbows in a put and take fishery?

[Bo Diddley]

BYU has more shit hole bowls, including that Holiday Bowl in 1984. Would you rather catch a few steelhead or dozens of small rainbows in a put and take fishery?

I'm disappointed you didn't make mention of the modern epoch.