The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Well I guess Utah isn't viewed nationally as much more prestigious than BYU.
http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.c...;entry22307421

• Scott aims high. It's obvious he wasn't hired by the Pac-10 to vet out the likes of Utah and BYU. Pac-10 expansion has moved to another level. That doesn't mean they'll necessarily get six Big 12 teams. It might mean the Pac-10 is going to try like hell, though.

[beefytee]

Well, Utah and Colorado in the PAC made sense geographically. If this PAC 10- Big 12 raid goes off the way it's being described, we'll be looking at mega-conferences that have nothing to do with geography. Call me a romantic, but that's one thing I have always liked about college sports. The way things are going college sports will be just like professional sports. Yuck.

I don't know. The geography seems pretty sound to me.

The divisions will be pretty well contained areas and with 8 teams in the division, I assume there won't be a lot of games against teams in the other division.

[pellegrino]

I don't know. The geography seems pretty sound to me.

The divisions will be pretty well contained areas and with 8 teams in the division, I assume there won't be a lot of games against teams in the other division.

I don't see how there could be more than a game a season against teams from the other division, at least in football. With 8 team divisions you're looking at a minimum of 7 conference games. Add to that one cross division game chosen at random and you have a very well balanced season with 8 conference games and four non conference games. Basketball scheduling would essentially follow that of the Big East.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I don't see how there could be more than a game a season against teams from the other division, at least in football. With 8 team divisions you're looking at a minimum of 7 conference games. Add to that one cross division game chosen at random and you have a very well balanced season with 8 conference games and four non conference games. Basketball scheduling would essentially follow that of the Big East.

P10 right now only has 3 non-conference games, so they could play 2 from the other division and nothing would change for current members. Though I assume all involved would want to get 4 non-conf games for the home game money and easy scheduled wins.

I hope that they will be more equitable with the conference championship game than the P10 hoops tourney. It should rotate between NFL stadiums in the P16. Seattle, San Francisco, Phoenix, Dallas.

[LA Ute]

I don't know. The geography seems pretty sound to me.

The divisions will be pretty well contained areas and with 8 teams in the division, I assume there won't be a lot of games against teams in the other division.

Sure, the divisions make geographic sense, but the conference a a whole doesn't.

[Portland Ute]

Well I guess Utah isn't viewed nationally as much more prestigious than BYU.
http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.c...;entry22307421

Nor BYU than Utah.

[LA Ute]

Well I guess Utah isn't viewed nationally as much more prestigious than BYU.
http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.c...;entry22307421

Only SU has ever said so here, as far as I know.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Nor BYU than Utah.

Yes they are both viewed as basic equals to a national college football audience, with Boise being viewed as superior to both.

[Portland Ute]

Yes they are both viewed as basic equals to a national college football audience, with Boise being viewed as superior to both.

Why doesn't the PAC10 have any interest in Boise?

They aren't superior and those that are more than casual college football fans know that Boise is inferior to both Utah and BYU in terms of what the program has and can offer and also in terms of academics.

The reason I MIGHT agree that nationally Boise MIGHT be viewed as superior right now is that they have ESPN slobbering all over them and ESPN generally ignores Utah or BYU even when they equal Boise's feats. Well, when Utah equals Boise's feats.

Also, sports is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world. Boise did it last year. It's been an entire 18 months since Utah did something that eclipses what Boise has ever done.

But I digress... You are probably right, but that doesn't mean their program is any better in any way. If your Ducks weren't such crappy road warriors, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Why doesn't the PAC10 have any interest in Boise?

They aren't superior and those that are more than casual college football fans know that Boise is inferior to both Utah and BYU in terms of what the program has and can offer and also in terms of academics.

The reason I MIGHT agree that nationally Boise MIGHT be viewed as superior right now is that they have ESPN slobbering all over them and ESPN generally ignores Utah or BYU even when they equal Boise's feats. Well, when Utah equals Boise's feats.

Also, sports is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world. Boise did it last year. It's been an entire 18 months since Utah did something that eclipses what Boise has ever done.

But I digress... You are probably right, but that doesn't mean their program is any better in any way. If your Ducks weren't such crappy road warriors, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

I didn't bring up Oregon, if Utah could beat Oregon in a game they played as bad or worse than they did against Boise then something cool would have happened also I guess.

The P10 isn't interested in Boise because they don't bring anything to the table that can make money for the conference. National prestige has little to nothing do with expansion, it is about money. Boise brings less potential money than Utah. While Utah, BYU and Boise combined bring less than Texas. If Texas says "no", then Utah will find itself back in the mix because they bring more than Boise and aren't a private school.

If it were just about adding teams that would boost the national perception Boise would be in the Pac 10, and Gonzaga would be for basketball.

[All-American]

Why doesn't the PAC10 have any interest in Boise?

They aren't superior and those that are more than casual college football fans know that Boise is inferior to both Utah and BYU in terms of what the program has and can offer and also in terms of academics.

The reason I MIGHT agree that nationally Boise MIGHT be viewed as superior right now is that they have ESPN slobbering all over them and ESPN generally ignores Utah or BYU even when they equal Boise's feats. Well, when Utah equals Boise's feats.

Also, sports is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world. Boise did it last year. It's been an entire 18 months since Utah did something that eclipses what Boise has ever done.

But I digress... You are probably right, but that doesn't mean their program is any better in any way. If your Ducks weren't such crappy road warriors, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

Boise's feats > Utah's feats.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Boise's feats > Utah's feats.

That may look like a worm, but it is definitely a hook

[All-American]

That may look like a worm, but it is definitely a hook

It's not a hook, it's a fact. Beating Oklahoma in 2006 > Beating Pitt in 2004. Beating TCU in 2009 > Beating Alabama in 2008. Boise's accomplishments > Utah's accomplishments.

[OrangeUte]

I don't like this at all. I don't mind 12 league teams, but anything bigger destroys the perception that cfb has that it is still authentic.

college basketball is ruined because it is more of a stepping stone for players who want to go to the nba. pro basketball is ruined because it is primadonnas making too much money and getting calls their way because of who they are.

college football will be exposed for being all about greed and corruption with this expansion to huge mega conferences. it already is, but because it isn't so overt, we fans still buy off on the notion that it's about tradition, student athletes, and rivalries. it isn't. now it's about money and money and money, traditions-be-damned!!!!

i see the demise of my favorite sport with this.

[LA Ute]

Boise's feats > Utah's feats.

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