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  • BGRTHNUMEGO
    Junior Member
    • May 2010
    • 3670

    #10906
    Originally posted by Jacob View Post
    I pretty much agree. But the problem with Howard is he takes shots away from much more efficient players because his usage rate is so much higher than Carroll's. I'm just guessing on that as I don't have the numbers. As you've implied, the more important lineup decisions he is screwing up elsewhere. But as for Howard, it is disconcerting that Corbin is using this playoff experience canard. Either he's the best player to start at that position, or he is not. His playoff experience has little to do with it and is not benefiting the Jazz even slightly, IMO.
    Usage rate for Howard - 20.7. For Carroll - 15.8

    Playoff experience, even if it is 3 years old, must be pretty valuable. Apparently it is more valuable than any of these other things:

    PER - Howard 10.8, Burks 14.0
    TS% - Howard 46, Burks 51
    Ast% - Howard 7.9, Burks 9.5
    TOV% - Howard 11.6, Burks 10.8
    FTA rate - Howard .26, Burks .40
    Net Production - Howard -6.4, Burks +0.7 (5th on the team)
    Simple Rating - Howard -4.7, Burks +1.1 (4th on the team)
    Game 1 - Howard sucked, Burks was solid

    Citing the playoff experience as a primary reason to start Howard though he's been injured for a long stretch is disconcerting. Howard hasn't been in the playoffs for 3 years, he hasn't played well this season, and he missed an entire month to finish the season. Yet Corbin lets experience take priority over performance and production.

    Favors playing more minutes is a far better option than having Howard on the court.

    Burks playing more minutes is a better option than having Howard play.

    And I would argue that against some of SA's sets, using Tinsley + Harris would be better than sticking Howard out there.

    Is Howard a better option than Carroll? I would think so, but Jacob's point about the usage differences, especially when Howard spends a lot of his time on the court with Jefferson, Millsap, and Hayward makes me think at best Howard v. Carroll is a wash, but more likely it would be slightly more advantageous to have Carroll out there.

    Mostly this is just another decision by Corbin that pisses me off because it makes me think he should be an asst coach still, and that has bad implications for a team that should have a bright future.

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    • LiveCoug
      LA Ute loves me
      • Nov 2008
      • 18485

      #10907
      So, I hear that there is a NBA playoff game featuring the Utah Jazz and the San Antonio Spurs starting in 1 minute.

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      • LiveCoug
        LA Ute loves me
        • Nov 2008
        • 18485

        #10908
        LOL @ Popovich trying to hand off his coach of the year award like it was just a worthless piece of crap.

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        • Color Me Badd Fan
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 12519

          #10909
          Originally posted by LiveCoug View Post
          LOL @ Popovich trying to hand off his coach of the year award like it was just a worthless piece of crap.
          That thing's cursed, of course he doesn't want to touch it any longer than he has to.
          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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          • LiveCoug
            LA Ute loves me
            • Nov 2008
            • 18485

            #10910
            LOL

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            • UtahJazzFan88
              Jazz | Utes | Raiders
              • Oct 2011
              • 1678

              #10911
              At least I can start my Xbox up early instead of watching this disgrace.

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              • San Juan Sun
                Kicked to the curb
                • Dec 2009
                • 9214

                #10912
                Still want Josh Howard's experience out there, Corbin?

                This is sad.
                "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                - Ty Cobb

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                • LiveCoug
                  LA Ute loves me
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 18485

                  #10913
                  Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                  Still want Josh Howard's experience out there, Corbin?

                  This is sad.
                  Quit yer whinin'. Howard has 50% of the Jazz points!

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                  • MarkGrace
                    Grooveshark dick tease
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 31546

                    #10914
                    Is it too late to trade the playoffs for that pick?
                    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                    • San Juan Sun
                      Kicked to the curb
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9214

                      #10915
                      Good crap. They let Howard shoot technical FTs even. What sort of dirt does Howard have on Corbin?
                      "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                      - Ty Cobb

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                      • LiveCoug
                        LA Ute loves me
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 18485

                        #10916
                        Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                        Good crap. They let Howard shoot technical FTs even. What sort of dirt does Howard have on Corbin?
                        Quit whining! He still has 50% of the Jazz points!

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                        • LiveCoug
                          LA Ute loves me
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 18485

                          #10917
                          These dudes get to the rack very easily on this Jazz D. Pathetic.

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                          • San Juan Sun
                            Kicked to the curb
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9214

                            #10918
                            Ugly basketball right now.
                            "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                            - Ty Cobb

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                            • MarkGrace
                              Grooveshark dick tease
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 31546

                              #10919
                              Favors going the length of the floor for the lay in was pretty impressive for a kid that size.
                              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                              • Blueintheface
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 15382

                                #10920
                                Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                                Favors going the length of the floor for the lay in was pretty impressive for a kid that size.
                                He should sit, watch, and learn. His 20 min of playoff experience is worthless at this point.
                                "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                                "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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