"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Suggested trade from Chris Sheridan...not really rumor of talks happening. He said if there was a 3rd team involved in the talks he'd assume it was Utah sending Jefferson to NO and Pau coming to Utah. He didn't go beyond that. So here is my proposal:

LA receives Chris Paul and Raja Bell

Utah receives Pau Gasol

NO receives Al Jefferson, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, two Laker first round picks, GS pick via Utah

Paul obviously isn't being traded straight up for Jefferson. But the Lakers have very little to offer in young talent, their picks aren't worth much, and I can't see Utah sending out Hayward, Burks, or Kanter to get an older, more expensive option in the front court, even with Gasol being better than Jefferson right now. But for NO, they pay Jefferson $5 M less than they would Gasol, they get two cheap young guys to develop, and three draft picks (albeit far lesser picks than what you normally see when a star is being moved). They could amnesty Okafor and start over. But it just doesn't make sense from NO's end.

Utah gets to grab Gasol, and moving Bell's salary helps off set the increase in pay over what Jefferson gets. But Gasol has a ton of miles on him after his late playoff runs and his long term commitment to his national team. What's the point of getting older and paying more to have Gasol join the team in watching LA run away with the west? If this were on the table and Hayward, Favors, Burks, and Kanter had two more years of experience then jump on it. But right now? I don't see why Utah would get involved unless they aren't giving anything up other than Jefferson and I can't envision a trade where that'd work.

From LA's end? Anything goes when turning Gasol into Paul. Because then Bynum/Odom = Dwight/Hedo, and Paul/Kobe/Howard kill teams.

[Blueintheface]

Is this being throw out by LA to stave off the Paul/Howard/Melo shitstorm that's brewing? If that happens the East would effectively have two super teams while the West would be teams full of relics or rookies. As a Jazz fan I say better the East than the Lakers though. Paul would really make that team go in LA.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Is this being throw out by LA to stave off the Paul/Howard/Melo shitstorm that's brewing? If that happens the East would effectively have two super teams while the West would be teams full of relics or rookies. As a Jazz fan I say better the East than the Lakers though. Paul would really make that team go in LA.

I think the more likely scenario is Paul/Howard/Griffin uniting in LA than the NY scenario. As I understand it, the Clips could trade for one of them this year, and then sign the other outright as a free agent next off-season.

[Blueintheface]

I think the more likely scenario is Paul/Howard/Griffin uniting in LA than the NY scenario. As I understand it, the Clips could trade for one of them this year, and then sign the other outright as a free agent next off-season.

My dear Lord. I just couldn't handle two teams in LA doing well.

[smokymountainrain]

Suggested trade from Chris Sheridan...not really rumor of talks happening. He said if there was a 3rd team involved in the talks he'd assume it was Utah sending Jefferson to NO and Pau coming to Utah. He didn't go beyond that. So here is my proposal:

LA receives Chris Paul and Raja Bell

Utah receives Pau Gasol

NO receives Al Jefferson, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, two Laker first round picks, GS pick via Utah

Paul obviously isn't being traded straight up for Jefferson. But the Lakers have very little to offer in young talent, their picks aren't worth much, and I can't see Utah sending out Hayward, Burks, or Kanter to get an older, more expensive option in the front court, even with Gasol being better than Jefferson right now. But for NO, they pay Jefferson $5 M less than they would Gasol, they get two cheap young guys to develop, and three draft picks (albeit far lesser picks than what you normally see when a star is being moved). They could amnesty Okafor and start over. But it just doesn't make sense from NO's end.

Utah gets to grab Gasol, and moving Bell's salary helps off set the increase in pay over what Jefferson gets. But Gasol has a ton of miles on him after his late playoff runs and his long term commitment to his national team. What's the point of getting older and paying more to have Gasol join the team in watching LA run away with the west? If this were on the table and Hayward, Favors, Burks, and Kanter had two more years of experience then jump on it. But right now? I don't see why Utah would get involved unless they aren't giving anything up other than Jefferson and I can't envision a trade where that'd work.

From LA's end? Anything goes when turning Gasol into Paul. Because then Bynum/Odom = Dwight/Hedo, and Paul/Kobe/Howard kill teams.

Any deal that nets the Lakers Paul or Howard, has to include Bynum.

[Jacob]

Suggested trade from Chris Sheridan...not really rumor of talks happening. He said if there was a 3rd team involved in the talks he'd assume it was Utah sending Jefferson to NO and Pau coming to Utah. He didn't go beyond that. So here is my proposal:

LA receives Chris Paul and Raja Bell

Utah receives Pau Gasol

NO receives Al Jefferson, Devin Ebanks, Darius Morris, two Laker first round picks, GS pick via Utah

Paul obviously isn't being traded straight up for Jefferson. But the Lakers have very little to offer in young talent, their picks aren't worth much, and I can't see Utah sending out Hayward, Burks, or Kanter to get an older, more expensive option in the front court, even with Gasol being better than Jefferson right now. But for NO, they pay Jefferson $5 M less than they would Gasol, they get two cheap young guys to develop, and three draft picks (albeit far lesser picks than what you normally see when a star is being moved). They could amnesty Okafor and start over. But it just doesn't make sense from NO's end.

Utah gets to grab Gasol, and moving Bell's salary helps off set the increase in pay over what Jefferson gets. But Gasol has a ton of miles on him after his late playoff runs and his long term commitment to his national team. What's the point of getting older and paying more to have Gasol join the team in watching LA run away with the west? If this were on the table and Hayward, Favors, Burks, and Kanter had two more years of experience then jump on it. But right now? I don't see why Utah would get involved unless they aren't giving anything up other than Jefferson and I can't envision a trade where that'd work.

From LA's end? Anything goes when turning Gasol into Paul. Because then Bynum/Odom = Dwight/Hedo, and Paul/Kobe/Howard kill teams.

Uh. What else do they want the Jazz to throw in to sweeten the pot? LA and Utah would be the clear winners in that trade, and NO the clear loser. But NO is going to be the loser in any trade it makes. Still, this is just too much for a Jazz fan to hope for.

[Jacob]

Any deal that nets the Lakers Paul or Howard, has to include Bynum.

Is Bynum more valuable than Pau? Bynum's got injury problems and head problems. So I'm not sure. But he's got youth going for him.

I think we could actually turn this into a winning offer for Dwight to the Lakers.

LA gets:

Dwight
Okur

Orlando gets:
Bynum
Jefferson
2012 GS 1st pick

Utah Gets

Pau
LA 2010 1st pick
Anderson (from ORL)
Duhon (from ORL)

The last 2 additions to Utah are needed to make the deal work in the Trade Machine.

It's not a great deal for Orlando (nothing would be, unless Miami wises up and trades LBJ straight up for Dwight. Smart move for Miami). Would Orlando like the combo of Jefferson/Bynum? I don't really. But the likely top 10 pick is a nice addition and Bynum and Jefferson are both entering their prime years.

I like the deal from Utah's perspective. It only saves $1m in salaries, but Gasol is a major upgrade, I think. He's got 3 years left, and he's 31.

Anything the Lakers give up to get Dwight is an upgrade. I'd say they give up more, but there is nothing that anyone wants. Unless a team is confident that Odom would be motivated to play hard for the team he is traded to.

[Maximus]

Is Bynum more valuable than Pau? Bynum's got injury problems and head problems. So I'm not sure. But he's got youth going for him.

I think we could actually turn this into a winning offer for Dwight to the Lakers.

LA gets:

Dwight
Okur

Orlando gets:
Bynum
Jefferson
2012 GS 1st pick

Utah Gets

Pau
LA 2010 1st pick
Anderson (from ORL)
Duhon (from ORL)

The last 2 additions to Utah are needed to make the deal work in the Trade Machine.

It's not a great deal for Orlando (nothing would be, unless Miami wises up and trades LBJ straight up for Dwight. Smart move for Miami). Would Orlando like the combo of Jefferson/Bynum? I don't really. But the likely top 10 pick is a nice addition and Bynum and Jefferson are both entering their prime years.

I like the deal from Utah's perspective. It only saves $1m in salaries, but Gasol is a major upgrade, I think. He's got 3 years left, and he's 31.

Anything the Lakers give up to get Dwight is an upgrade. I'd say they give up more, but there is nothing that anyone wants. Unless a team is confident that Odom would be motivated to play hard for the team he is traded to.

I dont think Utah should need/want pau. We arent competing for a championship anytime soon. I think they should trade jefferson for someone with more years left on them.

[MarkGrace]

Not interested in Pau at this point.

[Jacob]

I dont think Utah should need/want pau. We arent competing for a championship anytime soon. I think they should trade jefferson for someone with more years left on them.

Not interested in Pau at this point.

I agree that he's not ideal. I do think he is a major upgrade over Jefferson. If there is a better offer we could get back from Jefferson, I'd do it, but I don't know what that deal looks like. Pau is 31 and has 3 years left. The Jazz would win more games. Could the Jazz get more back in a trade for Jefferson, or if they were trading Pau?

[Maximus]

I agree that he's not ideal. I do think he is a major upgrade over Jefferson. If there is a better offer we could get back from Jefferson, I'd do it, but I don't know what that deal looks like. Pau is 31 and has 3 years left. The Jazz would win more games. Could the Jazz get more back in a trade for Jefferson, or if they were trading Pau?

is it worth trading a guy with many years left for a better guy with 3 years left when you have no hope for a championship just with the trade? I dont think so. Even a worse younger player with some potential and a pick or two would be better IMO.

[Jacob]

is it worth trading a guy with many years left for a better guy with 3 years left when you have no hope for a championship just with the trade? I dont think so. Even a worse younger player with some potential and a pick or two would be better IMO.

I'm confused. Jefferson has 2 years left on his deal. Pau has 3. Jazz probably won't re-sgn Jeffersion when his deal is up because he is not worth the money, IMO. Plus Favors and (maybe) Kanter should be better at that point.

This is all too hypothetical to continue debating, probably. But I'd do Jefferson for Pau straight up every day of the week. Pau is way better. In this scenario you are also giving up (likely) pick #10 in a really good draft, so maybe not such a great deal. Trade Jefferson for someone else and draft Henson or Jeremy Lamb (or whoever) with that pick.

[Maximus]

I'm confused. Jefferson has 2 years left on his deal. Pau has 3. Jazz probably won't re-sgn Jeffersion when his deal is up because he is not worth the money, IMO. Plus Favors and (maybe) Kanter should be better at that point.

This is all too hypothetical to continue debating, probably. But I'd do Jefferson for Pau straight up every day of the week. Pau is way better. In this scenario you are also giving up (likely) pick #10 in a really good draft, so maybe not such a great deal. Trade Jefferson for someone else and draft Henson or Jeremy Lamb (or whoever) with that pick.

I mean I think Pau has 3 years as a player left, Jefferson will be here (int he NBA, maybe utah) longer, straight up of course I would. I also dont think utah would consider it anyways. Especially because they would be helping the lakers get another superstar.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

[QUOTE=Jacob;727188]I'm confused. Jefferson has 2 years left on his deal. Pau has 3. Jazz probably won't re-sgn Jeffersion when his deal is up because he is not worth the money, IMO. Plus Favors and (maybe) Kanter should be better at that point.

This is all too hypothetical to continue debating, probably. But I'd do Jefferson for Pau straight up every day of the week. Pau is way better. In this scenario you are also giving up (likely) pick #10 in a really good draft, so maybe not such a great deal. Trade Jefferson for someone else and draft Henson or Jeremy Lamb (or whoever) with that pick.[/QUOTE]

That would be my preference, moving Jefferson or Millsap for someone else and then being able to keep that pick. And then on draft day see who is available there after having gone through a season with Favors, Kanter, Hayward, and Burks and seeing how they project at that point.

But at the same time adding Duhon and Anderson to this team would really balance it out well. I don't like the idea of paying Pau that much money over the next 3 years if the team isn't really going to be able to compete, but upgrading from Jefferson to Pau and then adding two pieces that strengthen weaknesses on the team does help accelerate the changing of the team from where they were last year to where they want to be.

FWIW, no way Orlando is moving Howard unless they get rid of Hedo's deal. So the addition to the deal should be Odom going to Orlando as well and Hedo going to LA. But since LA and Orl can do that trade themselves, I don't think we'll see a 3rd team involved in a Howard to LA trade.

[LiveCoug]

Schedule is out... Jimmer in the ESA twice. Lakers 4 times, 2 New Jersey, 1 Chicago (at chicago), 1 Miami (SLC)

Also, at quick glance, looks like only one back to back to back.

http://www.nba.com/jazz/schedule/