"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[MarkGrace]

Why not? He was compared to Jason Kidd with a better jumper. Kidd would have ranked that high his 6th year in the league.

And Deshawn Stevenson was compared to Michael Jordan.

[LiveCoug]

Probably speaks to being a teammate of Deron's more than anything else.

Even though his numbers are down.

[Sizzle]

And Deshawn Stevenson was compared to Michael Jordan.

Deron had a larger sample of games against a better level of competition to base a judgement and comparison than DeShawn. Deron was also not compared to the greatest player in history.

[MarkGrace]

Deron had a larger sample of games against a better level of competition to base a judgement and comparison than DeShawn. Deron was also not compared to the greatest player in history.

The point I'm making is that those comparisons are always entirely silly. Doesn't matter if the player is coming from HS, college or the Euro leagues.

Deron was compared to Kidd, but I didn't think there was a chance he'd as good or better than Kidd. I think at this point he is, though.

[Sizzle]

The point I'm making is that those comparisons are always entirely silly. Doesn't matter if the player is coming from HS, college or the Euro leagues.

Unless they aren't silly. Jason Kidd with a jumpshot is probably an apt description of Deron.

Sadly, I'm also afraid that maybe Haywards comparison of Luke Jackson may be dead on as well.

[smokymountainrain]

Unless they aren't silly. Jason Kidd with a jumpshot is probably an apt description of Deron.

Sadly, I'm also afraid that maybe Haywards comparison of Luke Jackson may be dead on as well.

I still like my Scott Padgett comparison for Hayward better. Coincidentally, Padgett had a better career than Jackson.

[MarkGrace]

Unless they aren't silly. Jason Kidd with a jumpshot is probably an apt description of Deron.

Except for the part where Deron doesn't play all that much like Kidd with a jumpshot.

Anyway, we're getting beyond my point. When Deron was drafted, I don't recall anyone thinking he was going to be a top 6-8 player in the league. I still remember constant bitching from Jazz fans about how we blew the pick, how Felton and Jack were going to be better because Deron was fat, and how we could have had Webster, Channing Frye and Jack instead of Deron. lol.

If you can point me to a post where someone made a prediction of Deron getting to this level, I will retract my statement.

[Surfah]

Except for the part where Deron doesn't play all that much like Kidd.

Anyway, we're getting beyond my point. When Deron was drafted, I don't recall anyone thinking he was going to be a top 6-8 player in the league. I still remember constant bitching from Jazz fans about how we blew the pick, how Felton and Jack were going to be better because Deron was fat, and how we could have had Webster, Channing Frye and Jack instead of Deron. lol.

If you can point me to a post where someone made a prediction of Deron getting to this level, I will retract my statement.

I agree with this. I didn't even think he was the best guard on his college team. And yes, I thought he was too doughy to hang with other PGs.

[smokymountainrain]

Except for the part where Deron doesn't play all that much like Kidd with a jumpshot.

Anyway, we're getting beyond my point. When Deron was drafted, I don't recall anyone thinking he was going to be a top 6-8 player in the league. I still remember constant bitching from Jazz fans about how we blew the pick, how Felton and Jack were going to be better because Deron was fat, and how we could have had Webster, Channing Frye and Jack instead of Deron. lol.

If you can point me to a post where someone made a prediction of Deron getting to this level, I will retract my statement.

Agreed - even for a guy who was the 3rd overall, he has exceed all expectations. I remember seeing a lot of people saying they were hoping he would average about 15 and 8 during his prime - sort of an Andre Milleresque career, and being happy about it.

[MarkGrace]

Agreed - even for a guy who was the 3rd overall, he has exceed all expectations. I remember seeing a lot of people saying they were hoping he would average about 15 and 8 during his prime - sort of an Andre Milleresque career, and being happy about it.

Exactly. Those were about the expectations I remember. My prediction was that he'd be in the range of 16-17 and 8-9 in his prime, and I was one of the biggest Deron homers in Jazz land during those early years. A lot of people didn't think he'd get to that.

[Blueintheface]

Deron Williams tears can cure cancer. Too bad he's never cried.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Sadly, I'm also afraid that maybe Haywards comparison of Luke Jackson may be dead on as well.

Doesn't Luke Jackson at least deserve an incomplete for having 2 back surgeries in his first two years in the NBA? I think healthy he could have at least been Jason Kapono.

[scottie]

What do ya'll think happens to minutes/rotations after Okur gets back?

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I have no idea if they are leaving most of their estate to their kids, maybe they are leaving a big chunk to the church. But most of it won't pass from Gail's ownership until she passes away. At that time, there will be a huge tax bill (unless the money goes to the church or a private foundation...which a large chunk probably does). If it goes to the kids, they will probably be selling some businesses to pay the tax man. I wonder if they'll sell the Jazz.

This was one of the things I had been wondering about. Also with some of the types of businesses that LHM was involved in, it could be tough to get that much financing to pay the IRS.

At $13-26K a year, that is a lot of years to gift the company to the kids. Maybe Larry was smart and had a valuation of the team done in 2005.

[MarkGrace]

When you think of Memo, you think of three things:

1. His three-point shooting

2. His smokin' hot wife (Yeliz, the former Miss Turkey)

3. His bed head

That's what I'm expecting.