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  • Hot Lunch
    Out of Office
    • Nov 2008
    • 7842

    #3721
    Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
    I'm pretty excited about the kid. If they made this deal without giving up his rights, I agree, it's a nice get.
    I will be really excited if they pull this off without giving up Tomic. In 2011/2012 a front court of Jefferson and Tomic gets me excited or in the words of our dear friend Goatnapper, "gets my nipples hard".
    "Take it to the Bank"

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    • MarkGrace
      Grooveshark dick tease
      • Dec 2008
      • 31546

      #3722
      Originally posted by Hot Lunch View Post
      I will be really excited if they pull this off without giving up Tomic. In 2011/2012 a front court of Jefferson and Tomic gets me excited or in the words of our dear friend Goatnapper, "gets my nipples hard".
      Plus you have an extremely productive Sap still making under 7mm that year. That frontline could put together some great combinations.
      So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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      • BGRTHNUMEGO
        Junior Member
        • May 2010
        • 3670

        #3723
        My assumption has always been that Utah would use either the trade exception OR AK's expiring deal, but not both. I'd be shocked if they don't just let AK's contract expire now; pleasantly shocked, but shocked nonetheless.

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        • Hot Lunch
          Out of Office
          • Nov 2008
          • 7842

          #3724
          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
          Plus you have an extremely productive Sap still making under 7mm that year. That frontline could put together some great combinations.
          Use the AK money coming off the books for a good scoring 2 or 3 and damn that is nice team and hopefully it will be good enough to keep D-Will around. I will just punt this season and get excited for 2011/2012.
          "Take it to the Bank"

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          • Color Me Badd Fan
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 12519

            #3725
            Great get by the Jazz if it happens. Is 25 year old Al Jefferson really that much of a downgrade over soon to be 29 year old Boozer? Jefferson averaged a 23 and 11 season before he blew out his knee and he still had a decent year last year coming back from the knee injury.
            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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            • Blueintheface
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 15382

              #3726
              Does this move definitively mean Wes is a Blazer or does it have no bearing on their decision? I'd like to think it means they aren't matching but the Jazz are currently (and always) short at the two. I thought I heard tonight that the Lakers were considering dedicating the remainder of their mid-level to RaJa Bell, some $1.8MM. why couldn't the Jazz just offer $2 and free Heber Creeper passes? Seems reasonable and might keep Greg out of the red.
              "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

              "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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              • MarkGrace
                Grooveshark dick tease
                • Dec 2008
                • 31546

                #3727
                Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                Does this move definitively mean Wes is a Blazer or does it have no bearing on their decision? I'd like to think it means they aren't matching but the Jazz are currently (and always) short at the two. I thought I heard tonight that the Lakers were considering dedicating the remainder of their mid-level to RaJa Bell, some $1.8MM. why couldn't the Jazz just offer $2 and free Heber Creeper passes? Seems reasonable and might keep Greg out of the red.
                I think it means they are very unlikely to match on Wes. They'll likely commit to CJ and Hayward at the 2, with both playing some backing up AK, and then fill in with someone cheap.
                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                • Blueintheface
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 15382

                  #3728
                  Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                  I think it means they are very unlikely to match on Wes. They'll likely commit to CJ and Hayward at the 2, with both playing some backing up AK, and then fill in with someone cheap.
                  Maybe get lucky and find another Wesley Mathews, eh. I just think it's asking a lot to have two physically weaker guys playing the two, one a rookie. Having said that, and assuming Al is on his way, I think this summer has already surpassed my low expectations in moving this team in the right direction in a post-Boozer world. And the summer isn't over yet.
                  "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                  "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                  • Jacob
                    Junior Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 6801

                    #3729
                    Finally a bit of good news. At worst, the Jazz are the same team they were last year. At best, they are a bit better because Boozer is gone and Jefferson can't be as worthless on defense. Jefferson is 1 inch taller than Booz. Not exactly the length we were dreaming of. Still need that long defensive help in the post. But there's virtually no chance we sign another post player this summer.

                    I haven't watched much Jefferson, but according to 82games, he shoots more jump shots than Boozer. Here's to hoping for a quick Memo recovery to be shortly followed by a trade for some post defense, like a trade to GS for Biedrins.

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                    • fusnik
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 4475

                      #3730
                      I like the move. Hope this signals the madness of Wes' contract.

                      They are still a couple pieces from being elite.

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                      • Blueintheface
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 15382

                        #3731
                        Originally posted by fusnik View Post
                        They are still a couple pieces from being elite.
                        This is the Jazz mantra and always has been unfortunately. I just look for them to remain competitive without mortgaging their future. Shore up the team, work to retain D-Will, and make a smooth coaching transition when Sloan retires after next season and all will be well. And by well I mean making the playoffs each and every season.
                        "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                        "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                        • Donuthole
                          Official Outgayer
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 25231

                          #3732
                          Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                          Finally a bit of good news. At worst, the Jazz are the same team they were last year. At best, they are a bit better because Boozer is gone and Jefferson can't be as worthless on defense. Jefferson is 1 inch taller than Booz. Not exactly the length we were dreaming of. Still need that long defensive help in the post. But there's virtually no chance we sign another post player this summer.

                          I haven't watched much Jefferson, but according to 82games, he shoots more jump shots than Boozer. Here's to hoping for a quick Memo recovery to be shortly followed by a trade for some post defense, like a trade to GS for Biedrins.
                          Don't sell Al Jeff's size short. He may only be an inch taller than Boozer, but his standing reach is pretty respectable (9'-2"). Compare that with some of the taller bigs in the league:

                          Bogut: 9'-2.5"
                          Bosh: 9'-1"
                          Bynum: 9'-4"
                          B. Lopez: 9'-5"
                          J. Noah: 8'-10.5"
                          Oden: 9'-4"
                          Okafor: 9'-2.5"
                          Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                          There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                          • Jarid in Cedar
                            CS Institutional Memory
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 13234

                            #3733
                            Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                            Does this move definitively mean Wes is a Blazer or does it have no bearing on their decision? I'd like to think it means they aren't matching but the Jazz are currently (and always) short at the two. I thought I heard tonight that the Lakers were considering dedicating the remainder of their mid-level to RaJa Bell, some $1.8MM. why couldn't the Jazz just offer $2 and free Heber Creeper passes? Seems reasonable and might keep Greg out of the red.
                            I am going to wait to hear SloanHater's view on this before commenting.
                            "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

                            "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

                            "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

                            -Rick Majerus

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                            • Jacob
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6801

                              #3734
                              Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                              Don't sell Al Jeff's size short. He may only be an inch taller than Boozer, but his standing reach is pretty respectable (9'-2"). Compare that with some of the taller bigs in the league:

                              Bogut: 9'-2.5"
                              Bosh: 9'-1"
                              Bynum: 9'-4"
                              B. Lopez: 9'-5"
                              J. Noah: 8'-10.5"
                              Oden: 9'-4"
                              Okafor: 9'-2.5"
                              So his standing reach is 1.5" higher than Boozer's. Maybe that matters a little. Much more telling is the fact that he actually blocks some shots, which Boozer never did. This probably means he plays more help defense. Hell, if he plays just a little help defense, it will be a tremendous improvement.

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                              • BGRTHNUMEGO
                                Junior Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 3670

                                #3735
                                Al Jefferson's career path had been nothing short of stellar until the knee injury. He came directly out of high school, but it isn't as if he came from Oak Hill. He played for a public high school in Prentiss, MS. The competition he played against was less than stellar. He was viewed as a huge project because of that.

                                Yet in only his 3rd season in the league, he averaged 16 and 10. It was also the first year he got more than 30 mpg. The next season he was at 21 and 11, the next 23 and 11 before getting injured. Garnett didn't get to 20 and 10 until his 4th season in the league either, even though he'd played 38 and 39 mpg the previous two years, respectively. Jermaine O'Neal took a while longer to hit his stride as a big out of HS. His career PER is 20.3, compared to Boozer's 20.8, even though Jefferson didn't have 3 years of seasoning in college.

                                Jefferson was on his way to being extremely productive and efficient for a long time before the injury. And it isn't too shabby to come back from a significant knee injury that happened in February to average 17 and 9 in the next season. I feel good about what a healthy Jefferson being moved to a competitive team for the first time in his career could mean, especially if some of the added weight he's been carrying is just leftover from injury and can be lost.

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