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  • Both sides are playing a dangerous game by being performative and exaggerating the threats while minimizing their own awful behavior.

    But the most scrutiny should be against the state and state authority. Lawlessness shouldn't be an excuse to abandon constitutional order. Lawlessness should be stopped within the means empowered by the state. And obstruction should not be tolerated. But there should be no tolerance for systemic abuses of power by this administration.

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    • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
      This what you're defending Shaka

      And yes any resistance to ice whatsoever is legitimate

      So not ICE.

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      • I’m hanging on a houseboat in Powell doing my share to quell the Wahweap civil unrest. Taking the W is hard work. I’ll muddle through. You people enjoy the LA insurrection while I’m gone.

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        • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
          I’m hanging on a houseboat in Powell doing my share to quell the Wahweap civil unrest. Taking the W is hard work. I’ll muddle through. You people enjoy the LA insurrection while I’m gone.
          I know you think the "take the L and chill" comment was a real spike the football moment for you. And in a way, it very much was. But eventually you'll realize you were all turned around, and you ran it into the wrong end zone. Don't worry, man. We'll be here for you when you figure it out.
          Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

          There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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          • Originally posted by USUC View Post
            Both sides are playing a dangerous game by being performative and exaggerating the threats while minimizing their own awful behavior.

            But the most scrutiny should be against the state and state authority. Lawlessness shouldn't be an excuse to abandon constitutional order. Lawlessness should be stopped within the means empowered by the state. And obstruction should not be tolerated. But there should be no tolerance for systemic abuses of power by this administration.
            how can the threat be minimized if they are sending legal residents to foreign prisons against judges and SC orders.

            IE how can it be exagerrated

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            • Originally posted by Maximus View Post

              how can the threat be minimized if they are sending legal residents to foreign prisons against judges and SC orders.

              IE how can it be exagerrated
              So looting and destruction of private property is ok because of this?

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              • Originally posted by wally View Post
                Honest question: I have read that Obama deported a lot of people. Maybe more than Trump. I assume that the big difference is the way Trump is going about it with the pomp and flare coupled with a much less discriminate approach? I am naive on this matter and my ai summary seems lacking. In total numbers, ai tells me Obama deported 3.2 M and Trump has only done about 1.2 M. part of me wonders if Trump wants to be able to brag that "nobody deported more than me" and that is why his approach is more aggressive.
                Some things that make MAGA actions more concerning including:

                Ignoring due process, despite court rulings.

                Wrongfully deporting people who had legal status to be in the country

                Targeting students and others who engage in speech MAGA doesn't like and deporting them.

                Requesting access to social media at ports and borders and scrutinizing visitors for being critical of Trump

                Deporting people (some of whom who have not been "illegal") to places like El Salvador or Libya.

                Nabbing people off the street cruelly.

                Knowingly spreading lies such as the whole Haitians are eating dogs to inflame resentment. The rhetoric is unlike anything other recent officials have said.

                Shutting down avenues for legal immigration..

                Performatively offering asylum for Afrikaners but shutting it down for pretty much everyone else.

                Broad embargoes for visitors from a variety of counties, all of them. Curiously all from non-white places.

                Threatening to arrest the governor of a state.

                ICE increasingly acting as a national police force and arresting citizens for issues not related to immigration.

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                • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                  Some things that make MAGA actions more concerning including:

                  Ignoring due process, despite court rulings.

                  Wrongfully deporting people who had legal status to be in the country

                  Targeting students and others who engage in speech MAGA doesn't like and deporting them.

                  Requesting access to social media at ports and borders and scrutinizing visitors for being critical of Trump

                  Deporting people (some of whom who have not been "illegal") to places like El Salvador or Libya.

                  Nabbing people off the street cruelly.

                  Knowingly spreading lies such as the whole Haitians are eating dogs to inflame resentment. The rhetoric is unlike anything other recent officials have said.

                  Shutting down avenues for legal immigration..

                  Performatively offering asylum for Afrikaners but shutting it down for pretty much everyone else.

                  Broad embargoes for visitors from a variety of counties, all of them. Curiously all from non-white places.

                  Threatening to arrest the governor of a state.

                  ICE increasingly acting as a national police force and arresting citizens for issues not related to immigration.
                  Yup. Good summary of what is happening that I should think all decent Americans would find repulsive, but we're apparently not the country we used to be, which I think is tragic.

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                  • Originally posted by BlueK View Post

                    Yup. Good summary of what is happening that I should think all decent Americans would find repulsive, but we're apparently not the country we used to be, which I think is tragic.
                    Something that can frustrating is that, if you listened to Bannon, Roger Stone, Stephen Miller, Michael Flynn etc, you could understand that these moves aren't really about an immigration crisis but rather that whole great replacement theory racist bullshit and seizing power.

                    Assholes like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson have drumming up nativism and racism consistently.

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                    • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                      I'm confused what you think happens when they do
                      We start a genocide that the world tries to prevent, then nuclear war because Trump is a fucking idiot, then the extinction of mankind, fulfilling the story arc of sentient life in the universe.
                      "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                      • Originally posted by wally View Post
                        part of me wonders if Trump wants to be able to brag that "nobody deported more than me" and that is why his approach is more aggressive.
                        It doesn't have to be true for him to brag that he has. The hijueputa will just start saying it and his lackeys will lap it up.
                        "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                        The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                        • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                          So looting and destruction of private property is ok because of this?
                          That's exactly what he's saying. Come on, man. Looting and destruction of property is a distraction.
                          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                          • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                            So not ICE.
                            Don't be coy. ICE is part of DHS and they're using anyone who'll do it for this bullshit.
                            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                            • Not content with terrorizing legal immigrants, immigration authorities in LA rammed a car full of citizens, dropped a flash-bang, and detained the driver at gunpoint.

                              https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:jec.../3lrdyg44yrs24

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                              • Originally posted by LVAllen View Post
                                Not content with terrorizing legal immigrants, immigration authorities in LA rammed a car full of citizens, dropped a flash-bang, and detained the driver at gunpoint.

                                https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:jec.../3lrdyg44yrs24
                                9-month-pregnant US Citizen arrested for allegedly interfering with them trying to arrest/abduct her husband. A waddling, pregnant woman was "resisting" or "obstructing" or whatever term these sons-of-bitches wield like cudgel against their fellowmen. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...horne/3719581/
                                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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