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  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Let me say again that lecturing someone that their political viewpoint doesn't properly match their religion's teaching is the most annoying debate tactic ever.
    I agree, unless that person has used their religion's teaching previously/frequently to justify their political viewpoints, in which case is is fair game.
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    • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post

      I agree, unless that person has used their religion's teaching previously/frequently to justify their political viewpoints, in which case is is fair game.
      Sure
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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      • Is it fair game to point out that without due process and the writ of habeas corpus, Joseph Smith, that vile lawbreaker, would have spent more time in jails than he did?

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          Let me say again that lecturing someone that their political viewpoint doesn't properly match their religion's teaching is the most annoying debate tactic ever.
          Lecturing? MAGA is all about a John McNaughton world view and performative Christianity and "Christian Nationalism."

          They are constantly grandstanding on "Christian," values.
          It is a valid point to bring up.

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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Let me say again that lecturing someone that their political viewpoint doesn't properly match their religion's teaching is the most annoying debate tactic ever.
            until it is lgbt stuff

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            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Let me say again that lecturing someone that their political viewpoint doesn't properly match their religion's teaching is the most annoying debate tactic ever.
              You may have a standing objection.
              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

              Dig your own grave, and save!

              "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

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              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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              • I am disappointed that the riots in L.A. are distracting from what was a promising escalation in the dissolution of the Trump-Musk bromance. I think that had more entertainment value.

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                • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Let me say again that lecturing someone that their political viewpoint doesn't properly match their religion's teaching is the most annoying debate tactic ever.
                  Agreed. I found it amusing that he was trying to torpedo me by dropping a church stance, thus my Article of Faith.

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                  • just pretty hypocritical to advocate people spend money to proselyte for the church and then being ok when are they sent to prison after.

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                    • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                      just pretty hypocritical to advocate people spend money to proselyte for the church and then being ok when are they sent to prison after.
                      There's nothing hypocritical about it. Post-mission, they should return to their country of origin and, if they wish to emigrate, do so legally.

                      I'm all for legal immigration. I'm completely opposed to a president, or whoever is controlling the White House, turning the border into a sieve.

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                      • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                        There's nothing hypocritical about it. Post-mission, they should return to their country of origin and, if they wish to emigrate, do so legally.

                        I'm all for legal immigration. I'm completely opposed to a president, or whoever is controlling the White House, turning the border into a sieve.
                        No one did. The Church supports sending them out because....

                        Follow that logic. So you support part 2 but not part 2?

                        They dont have a chance to integrate legally. Already 10 or so LEGAL immigrants have been arrested and deported to prisons.

                        So I assume in those cases you did show disagreement?

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                        • Legal immigration should reflect the reality on the ground. The last time there was a significant change in immigration law was 1986. Our economy needs workers. People want to come here to work. That we take their tax money and not give them residency is unethical, to me. They are taxed, but not represented.
                          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                          • how do you feel about ICE showing up at schools and taking kids or their parents shaka?

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                            • Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                              Legal immigration should reflect the reality on the ground. The last time there was a significant change in immigration law was 1986. Our economy needs workers. People want to come here to work. That we take their tax money and not give them residency is unethical, to me. They are taxed, but not represented.
                              From day one, going back to his first administration, Trump and has ilk and have been hammering this issue.

                              Trump sabotaged bipartisan solutions MAGA needs something to rally around.

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                              • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                                From day one, going back to his first administration, Trump and has ilk and have been hammering this issue.

                                Trump sabotaged bipartisan solutions MAGA needs something to rally around.
                                Of course he did. The Heritage Foundation/Schutzstaffel wants a nation purged of aliens that aren't wealthy, highly-educated, highly-talented, or can somehow otherwise enrich the 1%. Even then, it's better that they be Caucasian, Christian, and have "high standards, comparable to our own."

                                Fuck the Heritage Foundation a thousand times over. I'm truly surprised that they haven't been the target of protests, en masse.
                                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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