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[myboynoah]

Is this real?

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So i guess it is real. The kid responds from Illinois to a Facebook call for white milita members to go to Kanosha and restore order. He kills at least one protester.

17-year-old charged with homicide after shooting during Kenosha protests, authorities say

I'm reading that there was a curfew. Why didn't the police round up those armed militia guys for violating the curfew? Or even more obvious, why didn't they round up those armed guys?

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[Commando]

Nevermind that! Surely there must be some evidence that Antifa and BLM are killing even more people... right guys? Guys?

[falafel]

Nevermind that! Surely there must be some evidence that Antifa and BLM are killing even more people... right guys? Guys?

Really only Uncle Ted that you are talking to on that point.

[myboynoah]

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[Uncle Ted]

Nevermind that! Surely there must be some evidence that Antifa and BLM are killing even more people... right guys? Guys?

No, the Antifa/BLM kids are too stoopid to kill more people... they bring Glocks to an AR-15 fight:



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[Uncle Ted]

Oh, scratch that. The dude that was shot in the arm is a felon... Therefore, he isn't allowed to have a gun.

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There is no way he would be breaking the law!

[myboynoah]

This disturbing video is not going to help. The white kid shoots people then runs/walks back toward the police fully armed and the police do nothing aside from telling him to get away from their car. Just drive past him You can't tell me that if Rittenhouse was black that he wouldn't have been forced to the ground, cuffed, and taken in.

[Non Sequitur]

This disturbing video is not going to help. The white kid shoots people then runs/walks back toward the police fully armed and the police do nothing aside from telling him to get away from their car. Just drive past him You can't tell me that if Rittenhouse was black that he wouldn't have been forced to the ground, cuffed, and taken in.

This kid is Trump's base. The next time I get together with my in-laws, this is a kid they will defend. This is a kid that was standing up against the BLM bunch. This is a kid that loves America. And I guarantee that this is a kid that loves Trump.

[Eddie]

Everything associated with that story just seems crazy.

Who was this kid "protecting the business" with? Anyone he knew? Or did he just show up on his own? If my kid says he needs to take a gun to go help a bunch of guys "protect a business", either I'm going with him or he isn't going. But I can't imagine a parent letting a kid take a gun to a riot zone to help "protect a business" without knowing who he'll be there with and what the plan is.

He demonstrates everything that can go wrong with the tough-guy "protect my property" crowd. Are you really prepared to shoot someone? I suspect this kid thought he could just show up and look tough with the rest of his group and the rioters would leave them alone.

In the videos I've seen - at some point, some how, he gets separated from the rest of the "militia"-types. He's getting chased by the first victim, who is throwing stuff at him, making threats, and earlier is on video taunting and challenging the militia-types with stuff like "shoot me, n***a!" There was a confrontation brewing, for sure.

So he's a 17 year-old kid getting chased by a 37 yr old man who has been antagonizing him and his group all night, and now he's on his own and probably terrified. There are gun shots going off while he's being chased, as is pointed out in one video, and he looks back. Some have speculated that maybe he thought he was being shot at. I supposed it's just as likely he could've thought one of his buddies was coming to the rescue. Either way - if he doesn't have a gun, who knows what happens. Is he still a target of this guy chasing him? Or does he get ignored? Does he get beat up, or just chased off? We'll never know, because he has a gun and shoots the guy.

He goes up to the guy, makes a phone call to someone and watches while others initially administer first aid. Then you see others coming running into the scene, and he hangs up and runs away. Apparently someone is shouting "there's the shooter, get him."

Running down the street, a group is chasing him. He gets hit in the back of the head. Trips and falls and takes a flying kick to the head, then the guy with the skateboard hits him, tries to grab his gun, and gets shot in the chest. The other guy who was shot in the arm comes up to him, pauses as they seem to size each other up, then charges in and gets shot in the arm that he's holding the pistol.

Everyone scatters at that point, and the kid walks down to the police, who apparently don't seem to interested in him.

Obviously these people would not have been shot had he not had a gun. That's on him. I'm sure some people think he was there to shoot people. I think it's just as likely that he was there to be a tough guy, but never anticipated pulling his trigger.

I don't know what to make of the "self-defense" claims. He was obviously attacked. But he was also in a riot zone - he had to expect that was a possibility. I'll admit that I'd be happy to see someone kick the asses of anyone attacking people and getting violent as part of the protests - but the shooting crosses some boundaries for me.

I have a hard time answering for myself to what extreme would I go to protect property. My family? Yeah...I have no problem shooting you. But breaking windows and burning things downtown away from my home? I like to think I'd just walk away from that.

[tooblue]

Everything associated with that story just seems crazy.

Who was this kid "protecting the business" with? Anyone he knew? Or did he just show up on his own? If my kid says he needs to take a gun to go help a bunch of guys "protect a business", either I'm going with him or he isn't going. But I can't imagine a parent letting a kid take a gun to a riot zone to help "protect a business" without knowing who he'll be there with and what the plan is.

He demonstrates everything that can go wrong with the tough-guy "protect my property" crowd. Are you really prepared to shoot someone? I suspect this kid thought he could just show up and look tough with the rest of his group and the rioters would leave them alone.

In the videos I've seen - at some point, some how, he gets separated from the rest of the "militia"-types. He's getting chased by the first victim, who is throwing stuff at him, making threats, and earlier is on video taunting and challenging the militia-types with stuff like "shoot me, n***a!" There was a confrontation brewing, for sure.

So he's a 17 year-old kid getting chased by a 37 yr old man who has been antagonizing him and his group all night, and now he's on his own and probably terrified. There are gun shots going off while he's being chased, as is pointed out in one video, and he looks back. Some have speculated that maybe he thought he was being shot at. I supposed it's just as likely he could've thought one of his buddies was coming to the rescue. Either way - if he doesn't have a gun, who knows what happens. Is he still a target of this guy chasing him? Or does he get ignored? Does he get beat up, or just chased off? We'll never know, because he has a gun and shoots the guy.

He goes up to the guy, makes a phone call to someone and watches while others initially administer first aid. Then you see others coming running into the scene, and he hangs up and runs away. Apparently someone is shouting "there's the shooter, get him."

Running down the street, a group is chasing him. He gets hit in the back of the head. Trips and falls and takes a flying kick to the head, then the guy with the skateboard hits him, tries to grab his gun, and gets shot in the chest. The other guy who was shot in the arm comes up to him, pauses as they seem to size each other up, then charges in and gets shot in the arm that he's holding the pistol.

Everyone scatters at that point, and the kid walks down to the police, who apparently don't seem to interested in him.

Obviously these people would not have been shot had he not had a gun. That's on him. I'm sure some people think he was there to shoot people. I think it's just as likely that he was there to be a tough guy, but never anticipated pulling his trigger.

I don't know what to make of the "self-defense" claims. He was obviously attacked. But he was also in a riot zone - he had to expect that was a possibility. I'll admit that I'd be happy to see someone kick the asses of anyone attacking people and getting violent as part of the protests - but the shooting crosses some boundaries for me.

I have a hard time answering for myself to what extreme would I go to protect property. My family? Yeah...I have no problem shooting you. But breaking windows and burning things downtown away from my home? I like to think I'd just walk away from that.

There is no ambiguity here. He is not a police officer, not a soldier, nor was he deputized. He made a conscious decision to go to the riot, armed with a gun. His actions were premeditated. He is a vigilante, and a criminal who committed murder.

[Now who’s the dean?]

I’m trying not to have a fatalistic view of everything, but man I don’t see a good way out of this. If Trump wins again it will be disastrous. If Biden wins it still might be disastrous (queue some dumbass post about some libertarian candidate). We need something good to happen on a grand scale. Would be a great time for aliens to show up and teach us cold fusion or some such. I’m probably idealizing the past, but 2020 just sucks.

[frank ryan]

Everything associated with that story just seems crazy.

Who was this kid "protecting the business" with? Anyone he knew? Or did he just show up on his own? If my kid says he needs to take a gun to go help a bunch of guys "protect a business", either I'm going with him or he isn't going. But I can't imagine a parent letting a kid take a gun to a riot zone to help "protect a business" without knowing who he'll be there with and what the plan is.

He demonstrates everything that can go wrong with the tough-guy "protect my property" crowd. Are you really prepared to shoot someone? I suspect this kid thought he could just show up and look tough with the rest of his group and the rioters would leave them alone.

In the videos I've seen - at some point, some how, he gets separated from the rest of the "militia"-types. He's getting chased by the first victim, who is throwing stuff at him, making threats, and earlier is on video taunting and challenging the militia-types with stuff like "shoot me, n***a!" There was a confrontation brewing, for sure.

So he's a 17 year-old kid getting chased by a 37 yr old man who has been antagonizing him and his group all night, and now he's on his own and probably terrified. There are gun shots going off while he's being chased, as is pointed out in one video, and he looks back. Some have speculated that maybe he thought he was being shot at. I supposed it's just as likely he could've thought one of his buddies was coming to the rescue. Either way - if he doesn't have a gun, who knows what happens. Is he still a target of this guy chasing him? Or does he get ignored? Does he get beat up, or just chased off? We'll never know, because he has a gun and shoots the guy.

He goes up to the guy, makes a phone call to someone and watches while others initially administer first aid. Then you see others coming running into the scene, and he hangs up and runs away. Apparently someone is shouting "there's the shooter, get him."

Running down the street, a group is chasing him. He gets hit in the back of the head. Trips and falls and takes a flying kick to the head, then the guy with the skateboard hits him, tries to grab his gun, and gets shot in the chest. The other guy who was shot in the arm comes up to him, pauses as they seem to size each other up, then charges in and gets shot in the arm that he's holding the pistol.

Everyone scatters at that point, and the kid walks down to the police, who apparently don't seem to interested in him.

Obviously these people would not have been shot had he not had a gun. That's on him. I'm sure some people think he was there to shoot people. I think it's just as likely that he was there to be a tough guy, but never anticipated pulling his trigger.

I don't know what to make of the "self-defense" claims. He was obviously attacked. But he was also in a riot zone - he had to expect that was a possibility. I'll admit that I'd be happy to see someone kick the asses of anyone attacking people and getting violent as part of the protests - but the shooting crosses some boundaries for me.

I have a hard time answering for myself to what extreme would I go to protect property. My family? Yeah...I have no problem shooting you. But breaking windows and burning things downtown away from my home? I like to think I'd just walk away from that.

tooblue is right. This isn’t a blurred things kind of thing and if the shooter had been a gang or didn’t look like a suburban white kid I don’t think people would act confounded. This kids and his actions would not be similar to you protecting your home. That’s a big stretch.

[frank ryan]

This kid is Trump's base. The next time I get together with my in-laws, this is a kid they will defend. This is a kid that was standing up against the BLM bunch. This is a kid that loves America. And I guarantee that this is a kid that loves Trump.

MAGA!

[frank ryan]

Nevermind that! Surely there must be some evidence that Antifa and BLM are killing even more people... right guys? Guys?

I’m on the Trump email list and he keeps sending me warnings about Antifa. What a let down. It’s been the Nazis and the ilk who have been doing the extremists killings.

[Non Sequitur]

I’m trying not to have a fatalistic view of everything, but man I don’t see a good way out of this. If Trump wins again it will be disastrous. If Biden wins it still might be disastrous (queue some dumbass post about some libertarian candidate). We need something good to happen on a grand scale. Would be a great time for aliens to show up and teach us cold fusion or some such. I’m probably idealizing the past, but 2020 just sucks.

I've said this before, but if Trump wins again there will be open insurrection, and not just pockets of insurrection. There will be a wave throughout the country, and you will be surprised at how easily people will be radicalized. Helter Skelter, baby.