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  • myboynoah
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 21719

    #3031
    Wild. But wouldn't better targets be those facilities producing the missiles Russia is throwing Ukraine's way?

    Still, crazy impressive. Looking forward to the damage assessments.

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    • LVAllen
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2013
      • 3213

      #3032
      Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
      Wild. But wouldn't better targets be those facilities producing the missiles Russia is throwing Ukraine's way?

      Still, crazy impressive. Looking forward to the damage assessments.

      The drones took out irreplaceable planes that deployed the missiles.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/wXesTUf7jU

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      • frank ryan
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 12255

        #3033
        Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

        The drones took out irreplaceable planes that deployed the missiles.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/wXesTUf7jU
        I'm still horrified by how we betrayed these guys

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        • wuapinmon
          Soul Plumber
          • Dec 2008
          • 30693

          #3034
          Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
          Wild. But wouldn't better targets be those facilities producing the missiles Russia is throwing Ukraine's way?

          Still, crazy impressive. Looking forward to the damage assessments.

          This article does a good job summarizing how significant this attack was: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/ar...e-drone-attack
          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69398

            #3035
            That was an amazing operation. Very impressive.
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            • Omaha 680
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2011
              • 11159

              #3036
              Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

              The drones took out irreplaceable planes that deployed the missiles.

              https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/wXesTUf7jU
              Exactly. It's easier to rebuild buildings than several dozen $200 million warplanes....especially if you are Russia right now.

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              • wuapinmon
                Soul Plumber
                • Dec 2008
                • 30693

                #3037
                Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

                Exactly. It's easier to rebuild buildings than several dozen $200 million warplanes....especially if you are Russia right now.
                Especially warplanes that they ceased manufacturing after the Soviet Union collapsed. Even better, those old bombers had much lower operating and maintenance costs than the newer stuff does. They are essentially irreplaceable without a complete overhaul of their aviation manufacturing industry.
                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                • wuapinmon
                  Soul Plumber
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 30693

                  #3038
                  Some of these explosions are massive and right next to the AFU troops. I wonder if they're all deaf.

                  "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                  The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • SteelBlue
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 8167

                    #3039
                    Is it true that the loss of these bombers reduces Russia's ability to wage nuclear war by something like 1/3?

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                    • Omaha 680
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 11159

                      #3040
                      Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post
                      Is it true that the loss of these bombers reduces Russia's ability to wage nuclear war by something like 1/3?
                      I don't think it's a straight percentage like that. They still have the traditional nuclear triad: ICBMs, bombers, and subs. This degrades one portion of that triad, but when you are talking about all out nuclear war it probably doesn't matter a ton. Although I certainly haven't done the simulations a la Joshua in War Games to know if this really matters in the nuclear balance of power and strategic positioning.

                      As others have said I think the more important immediate effect is a degraded ability to deliver conventional missile strikes on Ukrainian targets Russia's sudden urgent need to further harden their remaining bombers which will further degrade their operational flexibility.

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                      • wuapinmon
                        Soul Plumber
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 30693

                        #3041
                        Ukraine struck the Kerch Strait Bridge on June 3 for the third time since the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) reported that SBU agents mined the underwater support pillars of the Kerch Strait Bridge and detonated the equivalent of 1,100 kilograms of TNT at 0444 on June 3.[7] The SBU reported that the operation took several months to plan and execute and stated that this is the third time that Ukraine has conducted an operation against the bridge. The SBU reported that the structural integrity of the bridge is in critical condition. The SBU released an image of the bridge which indicates that the explosion did not damage the roadway, though the force of the explosion threw structural elements onto the roadway. Geolocated footage published on June 3 shows an explosion at the base of the Kerch Strait Bridge.[8] Russian opposition outlets Sota and Astra and Russian milbloggers circulated footage indicating that Ukraine conducted a naval drone strike against the bridge around 1500 on June 3, though it is unclear if the strike caused damage to the structure.[9] Ukrainian Navy Spokesperson Captain Third Rank Dmytro Pletenchuk stated that damage to the Kerch Strait Bridge undermines Russia’s ability to resupply Russian units and facilities in Crimea.[10] The Kerch Strait Bridge is a critical Russian logistics route, and Russian forces heavily defend the bridge with layered air defense, anti-sabotage measures, and personnel who monitor surface and underwater activity.[11] Russian sources claimed that authorities temporarily halted traffic across the bridge, but later claimed that traffic resumed.[12] Russian state media and the Russian government have not responded to the strike as of this publication.
                        Kremlin officials acknowledged that Russia seeks the “destruction” of Ukraine, indicating Moscow’s disinterest in good-faith negotiations.


                        "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                        The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                        • wuapinmon
                          Soul Plumber
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 30693

                          #3042
                          Ukraine shot down an Su-35 this morning near Kursk. That's the 414th warplane shot down in 3 years, according to the AFU General Staff. Russia makes about 12 Su-35's per year, according to estimates from the ISW. They currently have about 100 in service, so the loss isn't crippling, but it's one of their most modern warplanes and only a few have been shot down during the war.

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...ase_the_first/
                          Video showing the crash site. I'd recommend muting it.
                          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                          • wuapinmon
                            Soul Plumber
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 30693

                            #3043
                            Rumor is that Ukraine pulled off another major behind-the-lines attack today. People are using (and have been for a couple of years) FIRMS live satellite data to show where fires are burning. Rumor is they destroyed over 100 armored vehicles.

                            https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov...3,46.47,13.22z
                            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                            • wuapinmon
                              Soul Plumber
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 30693

                              #3044
                              The use of fiber optic drones means that you can't jam them, but if you're a lucky Russian, you can cut the fiber optic line. https://t.me/r_combatfootage/38576
                              "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                              The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                              • BigPiney
                                Huge Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 12308

                                #3045
                                Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                                Rumor is that Ukraine pulled off another major behind-the-lines attack today. People are using (and have been for a couple of years) FIRMS live satellite data to show where fires are burning. Rumor is they destroyed over 100 armored vehicles.

                                https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov...3,46.47,13.22z
                                I hope so.

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