Ukraine - somebody explain to me

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  • wuapinmon
    Soul Plumber
    • Dec 2008
    • 30711

    #2776
    My buddy Kyryll near Dnipro saved a life last week with a tourniquet that we helped him buy. A missile hit his neighbor across the street, and he was able to use the tourniquets to stanch the flow of blood from an unlucky passerby when the missile hit.
    "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
    The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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    • Bo Diddley
      Senior
      • Jul 2012
      • 18825

      #2777
      I just watched a BBC story from Ukraine. Young kids are receiving weapons training. It's surreal when you see a 12 year old girl practicing drawing a pistol. She dropped out of the theater club to take the weapons training.

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      • frank ryan
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 12395

        #2778
        This is fascinating. Ukraine is apparently supporting Sudan's govt in their civil war to complicate things for Russia/Wagner

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        • YOhio
          Hipster Mode
          • Nov 2008
          • 26165

          #2779
          This seems like a big deal.

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69759

            #2780
            Originally posted by YOhio View Post
            This seems like a big deal.
            Oh boy. Elon Musk is going to be pissed!
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • YOhio
              Hipster Mode
              • Nov 2008
              • 26165

              #2781
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

              Oh boy. Elon Musk is going to be pissed!
              I'm not sure what you mean by this response, but it does seem like a pretty big step in moving from a proxy war to direct hot conflict with a nuclear nation. Am I misunderstanding what this would mean?

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69759

                #2782
                Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                I'm not sure what you mean by this response, but it does seem like a pretty big step in moving from a proxy war to direct hot conflict with a nuclear nation. Am I misunderstanding what this would mean?
                Elon seems to be against anything that benefits Ukraine and sometimes sounds like a Putin shill.

                And.... right on cue:

                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • Jeff Lebowski
                  Corporate lackey for Jesus
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 69759

                  #2783
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • falafel
                    loves to talk on things
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 38010

                    #2784
                    Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                    I'm not sure what you mean by this response, but it does seem like a pretty big step in moving from a proxy war to direct hot conflict with a nuclear nation. Am I misunderstanding what this would mean?
                    Are you suggesting or thinking that NATO could admit Ukraine in the middle of this war? I haven't heard anything like that.
                    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                    Dig your own grave, and save!

                    "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                    "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                    • YOhio
                      Hipster Mode
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 26165

                      #2785
                      Originally posted by falafel View Post

                      Are you suggesting or thinking that NATO could admit Ukraine in the middle of this war? I haven't heard anything like that.
                      That's what it seemed like Blinken was saying, but I could have misinterpreted.

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                      • Commando
                        Explosivo
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 20748

                        #2786
                        I think Elon's kind of been exposed with Tesla and Twitter in the shitter and him being laughably wrong and proven wrong at every turn lately. Why does anyone still care what that incel has to say? Oh right- his money.
                        "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                        • Bo Diddley
                          Senior
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 18825

                          #2787
                          It seems unlikely to me that Ukraine could join NATO until after the war is over. Russia will make membership for Ukraine a deal breaker for any official peace settlement. Because of that, I don't think there will be any lasting peace moving forward. Even if the scale of the war ever diminishes, Russia will stay engaged, even if on a small scale so that a Ukraine NATO membership would be too high an escalation with a nuclear power.

                          But why are we dragging our feet on sending military aid to Ukraine? The degradation of Russia's military assets alone is worth the investment. It's pennies on the dollar.

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                          • Jeff Lebowski
                            Corporate lackey for Jesus
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 69759

                            #2788
                            Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
                            It seems unlikely to me that Ukraine could join NATO until after the war is over. Russia will make membership for Ukraine a deal breaker for any official peace settlement. Because of that, I don't think there will be any lasting peace moving forward. Even if the scale of the war ever diminishes, Russia will stay engaged, even if on a small scale so that a Ukraine NATO membership would be too high an escalation with a nuclear power.

                            But why are we dragging our feet on sending military aid to Ukraine? The degradation of Russia's military assets alone is worth the investment. It's pennies on the dollar.
                            Because republicans are idiots.
                            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                            • Bo Diddley
                              Senior
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 18825

                              #2789
                              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                              Because republicans are idiots.
                              I don't buy it. My best guess is Congress has intelligence estimates that lead them to think they have time to play political chicken.

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                              • Jeff Lebowski
                                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 69759

                                #2790
                                Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

                                I don't buy it. My best guess is Congress has intelligence estimates that lead them to think they have time to play political chicken.
                                And so all the Republican opposition is just some sort of psyops? That’s funny.
                                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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