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  • #1111
    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    WTH is wrong with Germany?
    Germany isn’t exactly the most impressive country in making any kind of rational decisions. They literally created their own mess by going along with Nord Stream 2, which would have made them so dependent on Russian gas that Russia would have even more leverage on them. Thankfully that all got killed with the sanctions but you know someone dumb over there is making these decisions when even Trump calls them out on it, which he did several times.

    It does baffle me how little they consider any type of concentration risk with this stuff. Maybe they figured it would be a short lived period where they’d be exposed to a handful of gas providers until they could go 100% renewable, but exposure is exposure and Russia is still getting paid because of it.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • #1112
      Originally posted by Moliere View Post

      Germany isn’t exactly the most impressive country in making any kind of rational decisions. They literally created their own mess by going along with Nord Stream 2, which would have made them so dependent on Russian gas that Russia would have even more leverage on them. Thankfully that all got killed with the sanctions but you know someone dumb over there is making these decisions when even Trump calls them out on it, which he did several times.

      It does baffle me how little they consider any type of concentration risk with this stuff. Maybe they figured it would be a short lived period where they’d be exposed to a handful of gas providers until they could go 100% renewable, but exposure is exposure and Russia is still getting paid because of it.
      Seems incredibly ironic that Germany and Israel are both tied so tightly to Russia that their response has been muted/restrained when Russia is behaving exactly like Nazi Germany.
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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      • #1113
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

        Seems incredibly ironic that Germany and Israel are both tied so tightly to Russia that their response has been muted/restrained when Russia is behaving exactly like Nazi Germany.
        As I noted above, it's not really fair to put Israel and Germany in the same category. As for Germany, this is what happens when you delegate your energy policy to a 15 year old Swede.

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        • #1114
          Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

          As I noted above, it's not really fair to put Israel and Germany in the same category. As for Germany, this is what happens when you delegate your energy policy to a 15 year old Swede.
          The paths may be different, but the outcomes are the same.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • #1115
            Oh man. This one really gets to me.

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            • #1116
              Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

              Honestly, seems like a no brainer.
              I cut Germany a certain amount of slack, because of their overwhelming reliance on Russian oil, gas and coal. They shouldn't have gotten themselves in that position, but now that they are in that position they're kind of forced to play along to a certain degree.
              "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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              • #1117
                Russia booted from the UN Human Rights Council.

                The UN is a joke, but kudos anyway.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • #1118
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Russia booted from the UN Human Rights Council.

                  The UN is a joke, but kudos anyway.
                  Awesome. Now continuing HRC members China, Cuba, DR Congo, Uganda, and Venezuela have the moral high ground.

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                  • #1119
                    Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

                    Awesome. Now continuing HRC members China, Cuba, DR Congo, Uganda, and Venezuela have the moral high ground.
                    Lol. Exactly.
                    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                    • #1120
                      Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post

                      Awesome. Now continuing HRC members China, Cuba, DR Congo, Uganda, and Venezuela have the moral high ground.
                      Took me a while to figure out what Hillary had to do with this.

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                      • #1121
                        Originally posted by BigPiney View Post

                        Took me a while to figure out what Hillary had to do with this.
                        Oh you and Vince Foster both KNOW.

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                        • #1122
                          How can you not love the Ukrainians? Check out what somebody spraypainted on the side of an abandoned Russian tank.



                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • #1123
                            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            How can you not love the Ukrainians? Check out what somebody spraypainted on the side of an abandoned Russian tank.



                            Ha, that's good. I thought of that movie (the original version) when this whole thing started.
                            Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                            For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                            Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                            • #1124
                              Our old stake president and his wife just got called to a 3 month mission to Romania. It was done at the drop of a hat and they are already over there. They are helping run the church’s efforts with the Ukrainian refugees. I thought that was pretty cool.
                              "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                              • #1125
                                Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                                Our old stake president and his wife just got called to a 3 month mission to Romania. It was done at the drop of a hat and they are already over there. They are helping run the church’s efforts with the Ukrainian refugees. I thought that was pretty cool.
                                Very cool.
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